06-25-2018, 04:18 PM
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They better still sign Shore.
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06-25-2018, 04:28 PM
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#42
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Surprised at Shore.
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06-25-2018, 04:46 PM
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#43
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Maybe we’re offering Shore a 2 year deal that is worth more than his QO?
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06-25-2018, 04:46 PM
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#44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Maybe we’re offering Shore a 2 year deal that is worth more than his QO?
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I hope so, I thought he showed some promise
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06-25-2018, 05:38 PM
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#45
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Maybe we’re offering Shore a 2 year deal that is worth more than his QO?
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If that was the case, you'd still give him the QO to keep his RFA rights.
Many of the players who are qualified will sign for much more than what their QO was. Lindholm and Hanifin certainly will.
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06-25-2018, 05:40 PM
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#46
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Originally Posted by getbak
If that was the case, you'd still give him the QO to keep his RFA rights.
Many of the players who are qualified will sign for much more than what their QO was. Lindholm and Hanifin certainly will.
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It might have to do with him being arbitration eligible. Didn't they do something similar with Paul Byron a few years back? I might be mistaken.
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06-25-2018, 05:53 PM
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#47
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by agulati
It might have to do with him being arbitration eligible. Didn't they do something similar with Paul Byron a few years back? I might be mistaken.
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I think it was Joe Colborune.
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06-25-2018, 05:55 PM
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#48
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Could Care Less
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Too bad about Poirier. Had high hopes for him.
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06-25-2018, 06:26 PM
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#49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by agulati
It might have to do with him being arbitration eligible. Didn't they do something similar with Paul Byron a few years back? I might be mistaken.
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Originally Posted by shadowlord
I think it was Joe Colborune.
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It was both of them. It's starting to become common for teams to be unwilling to extend QOs to middle-of-the-road players who will be arbitration-eligible if they're qualified.
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06-25-2018, 06:55 PM
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#50
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak
It was both of them. It's starting to become common for teams to be unwilling to extend QOs to middle-of-the-road players who will be arbitration-eligible if they're qualified.
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Wonder if this attempt at player-initiated arbitration evasion will come up at the next CBA negotiations? Do players in this situation prefer the guarantee of a RFA salary increase offer or the freedom of becoming a UFA?
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06-25-2018, 07:01 PM
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#51
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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I’m really happy I don’t have to watch Hunter Smith lose another fight.
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06-25-2018, 07:08 PM
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#52
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Yeah, i suspect they want to sign Shore at less than the QO or a multi year deal (less likley IMO).
A little surprised at Shinkaruk (though maybe they are still waiting for him to catch his draft position) and Hathaway (if they can make him hungrier it's be nice).
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06-28-2018, 12:02 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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How does a player who gets bought out, making him an UFA, signs with another team, become a RFA?
Is it soley based on age under the CBA?
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06-28-2018, 12:51 PM
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#54
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
How does a player who gets bought out, making him an UFA, signs with another team, become a RFA?
Is it soley based on age under the CBA?
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Who is this in reference to?
RFA status is based on age and years of service. If a player has not yet reached his 27th birthday by June 30 and hasn't yet played 7 years in the NHL, he'll become an RFA on July 1 if his contract has expired and his last team offered him an appropriate Qualifying Offer. Previous UFA status has no bearing on future RFA status so long as the player has not reached the age or years of service requirement.
The same is true for players who sign as undrafted free-agents out of junior or college, once they're under an NHL contract, the rules apply the same for them going forward as they do for any other players in the same situation regardless of any previous status they may have held.
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06-28-2018, 05:09 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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I tried to quote the post about DSP not receiving a qualifying offer. Not sure what happened.
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06-28-2018, 07:46 PM
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#56
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
I tried to quote the post about DSP not receiving a qualifying offer. Not sure what happened.
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Yeah, he's a weird one.
Twice in his career he has gone without a QO and became a UFA. Both times, he ended up re-signing with his original team anyway (after his ELC with Anaheim and this year with Washington).
After being traded twice in consecutive years at the deadline, he was finally qualified and signed to a two-year deal by the Devils as an RFA. Then, they bought him out after one year, so he became a UFA again.
Fortunately for him, he turns 27 next year and won't have to face the indignity of not receiving a QO ever again.
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06-28-2018, 08:04 PM
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Well, this officially ends the Jay Bouwmeester legacy with the Flames. In exchange for a signed Jay Bouwmeester the flames received:
1. Reto Berra (later traded for a second round pick that became Hunter Smith) 9W-17L-2OTL in 29 games
2. Mark Cundari: 8gp-1g-2a
3. 1st round pick that became Emile Poirier: 8 gp-0g-1a
What a disaster. By far Feasters worst deal, especially since he didn't need to make it at the deadline and a cautionary tale in trading quality for a quantity of prospects and draft picks. Any NHLer in that package would have been better than what we got.
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06-28-2018, 08:09 PM
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#58
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Cundari may have only scored one goal, but it was such a nice snipe. Against Minny if I recall.
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06-28-2018, 08:22 PM
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#59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkflames
Well, this officially ends the Jay Bouwmeester legacy with the Flames. In exchange for a signed Jay Bouwmeester the flames received:
1. Reto Berra (later traded for a second round pick that became Hunter Smith) 9W-17L-2OTL in 29 games
2. Mark Cundari: 8gp-1g-2a
3. 1st round pick that became Emile Poirier: 8 gp-0g-1a
What a disaster. By far Feasters worst deal, especially since he didn't need to make it at the deadline and a cautionary tale in trading quality for a quantity of prospects and draft picks. Any NHLer in that package would have been better than what we got.
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Well, IIRC, Flames fans were pretty sick of Jay, and were happy to see him go.
Plus, I'm not sure it's fair to judge the trade based on how the draft picks worked out.
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06-28-2018, 08:35 PM
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#60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkflames
Well, this officially ends the Jay Bouwmeester legacy with the Flames. In exchange for a signed Jay Bouwmeester the flames received:
1. Reto Berra (later traded for a second round pick that became Hunter Smith) 9W-17L-2OTL in 29 games
2. Mark Cundari: 8gp-1g-2a
3. 1st round pick that became Emile Poirier: 8 gp-0g-1a
What a disaster. By far Feasters worst deal, especially since he didn't need to make it at the deadline and a cautionary tale in trading quality for a quantity of prospects and draft picks. Any NHLer in that package would have been better than what we got.
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That's the power of hindsight though, at the time Poirier looked like a great pick and I know many people had high hopes for him.
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