Stabbing at Chinook Centre

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think it depends on why you believe crime and violent crime in general is down since the 80s.

Demographics. Almost all violent crime is committed by young men, and in an aging country young men make up a smaller proportion of the population than they did 30 years ago.

More diversion for young men at home (videogames, porn), so there are far fewer of them out on the streets bored and restless.

Sea changes in parenting. Violent behaviour by children is clamped down on, where it was widely tolerated in the past.

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you consider robbery a random crime or a targeted crime?

I thought we were talking about violent crime? But no, I don't consider it random. There are factors that make some homes attractive targets than others, and the people carrying out the robberies have a rational motivation. And again, the vast majority of robberies are non-violent.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

No, I was being facetious. But taco sure does. He started it by unsheathing his broad brush against "lefties" yet you didn't respond to his post. Curious.

If you haven't seen me call out and challenge right-wing comments on this board, you aren't looking very hard.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Demographics. Almost all violent crime is committed by young men, and in an aging country young men make up a smaller proportion of the population than they did 30 years ago.

More diversion for young men at home (videogames, porn), so there are far fewer of them out on the streets bored and restless.

Sea changes in parenting. Violent behaviour by children is clamped down on, where it was widely tolerated in the past.



I thought we were talking about violent crime? But no, I don't consider it random. There are factors that make some homes attractive targets than others, and the people carrying out the robberies have a rational motivation. And again, the vast majority of robberies are non-violent.

Not true. For a crime to be a robbery, there must be violence or very plausible threats thereof. Otherwise, it's just theft.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

http://calgarysun.com/news/crime/chi...-with-a-weapon


The most serious charge is aggravated assault. No attempted murder? Then this will probably get plead down to simple assault and a hug-a-thug judge will let her out for time spent in pre-trial custody. Then the crime stats will record that a simple assault occurred and the lefties will tell us that Calgary is safer know than it was 20 years ago.

Scary, considering she has had 12 prior assault convictions since 2009, she shouldn't have been free to stab these three people.

Maybe the victims of these assaults should start suing the Judges and Justice departments for allowing these freaks on the streets.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

http://calgarysun.com/news/crime/chi...-with-a-weapon


The most serious charge is aggravated assault. No attempted murder? Then this will probably get plead down to simple assault and a hug-a-thug judge will let her out for time spent in pre-trial custody.

This seems fair if it affects the stats. I've seen enough of "The Wire" to question some of the reporting! I wonder what the reasoning is behind the charges.

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We honestly don't know that. As I've said, since I don't hang around with a criminal element or have any violent people in my social circle, the only violent crime stats that affect my safety are random attacks on strangers. And I don't know if those are going up or down because I haven't seen Calgary's crime stats broken down that way. Maybe you could point me to a link?

It's a great question but I can't find any statistics Canada reports on random crimes, only that one article that suggests a consistent rate of 15% of violent crime in the last few years in Camada is "random". But then there isn't a reference included, it was only an "ask the expert" piece.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Demographics. Almost all violent crime is committed by young men, and in an aging country young men make up a smaller proportion of the population than they did 30 years ago.

More diversion for young men at home (videogames, porn), so there are far fewer of them out on the streets bored and restless.

Sea changes in parenting. Violent behaviour by children is clamped down on, where it was widely tolerated in the past.

For robbery I was thinking of muggings as opposed to break and enter

I thought we were talking about violent crime? But no, I don't consider it random. There are factors that make some homes attractive targets than others, and the people carrying out the robberies have a rational motivation. And again, the vast majority of robberies are non-violent.

Demographics doesn't hold up to statistical analysis as the cause. Here's a good article discussing many of the different theories and flaws in them.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thea...rticle/477408/

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.macl...g-so-fast/amp/

And here's one blaming video games as crime is way down in the male 18/24 bracket.

[Husky]

Seems like majority of these violent crimes are being committed by non white....?

[GGG]

Nm

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Scary, considering she has had 12 prior assault convictions since 2009, she shouldn't have been free to stab these three people.

Maybe the victims of these assaults should start suing the Judges and Justice departments for allowing these freaks on the streets.

Seriously? I know the "3 strikes" rule in the US is considered bad policy, but I'd probably support a 12 strikes for violent crime and you're in jail forever policy...

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Husky

Seems like majority of these violent crimes are being committed by non white....?

Yeah if you feed yourself those kind of lies.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Yeah if you feed yourself those kind of lies.

Per capita he's not wrong though, actually it's not even close.

I'm not white but keep believing man!

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Per capita he's not wrong though, actually it's not even close.

I'm not white but keep believing man!

He also could have said:

-it looks like these crimes are being committed mostly by poor people, or;
-it looks like these crimes are being committed mostly by men, or;
-it looks like these crimes are being committed mostly by young people, or;
-it looks like these crimes are being committed mostly by people from broken homes;
-and so on.

...all of which would have been just as true (if not more so statistically).

But, for whatever reason, he chose to focus on one of the statistics, which actually has no direct predictive bearing as to whether someone will commit a violent crime. It's not like non-whites are born with more violent and/or criminal inclinations that Caucasians, but that's the not-so-subtle suggestion made by a one-liner such as that. Husky's observation is both literally and figuratively skin deep. And typically these types of comments are rooted in an ugly origin. I'm not suggesting that Husky or you are racist, but am I suggesting you're both a little shallow and lazy in your approach to this issue if this is the extent of your analysis.

Presuming, of course, that this wasn't just a bad attempt at humour that went over my head.

[OMG!WTF!]

I think race and gender play a much larger role in her ability to continue this pretty amazing crime streak than people want to admit. So, here's your 13,14,15 assault charge. It will be interesting to see if she gets another another chance.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I think race and gender play a much larger role in her ability to continue this pretty amazing crime streak than people want to admit. So, here's your 13,14,15 assault charge. It will be interesting to see if she gets another another chance.

So you are saying stats showing that Minorities get convicted and higher rates and longer sentences than whites when committing the same crime are false?

You could be right on gender though.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

He also could have said:

-it looks like these crimes are being committed mostly by poor people, or;
-it looks like these crimes are being committed mostly by men, or;
-it looks like these crimes are being committed mostly by young people, or;
-it looks like these crimes are being committed mostly by people from broken homes;
-and so on.

But he didn't. There are many other stories out there that go straight to race, ethnicity, sex, religion. The jar is already open. For some reason some types of comments are not acceptable, and others are.

If we are going to subdivide criminal activity into male/female, keep going deeper. We are never going to resolve some of these major issues if we can't answer difficult questions for fear of offending.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

But he didn't. There are many other stories out there that go straight to race, ethnicity, sex, religion. The jar is already open. For some reason some types of comments are not acceptable, and others are.

If we are going to subdivide criminal activity into male/female, keep going deeper. We are never going to resolve some of these major issues if we can't answer difficult questions for fear of offending.

If you are going to have that discussion a racist one liner is not the way to introduce the discussion. If he had said let's discuss why Minority populations are over represented in crimes committed you could have a reasonable discussion but the one liner making no point appears to be racist.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by GGG

So you are saying stats showing that Minorities get convicted and higher rates and longer sentences than whites when committing the same crime are false?

You could be right on gender though.

No I'm saying specifically aboriginal sentencing guidelines...Gladue reporting...is a get out of jail free card that has completely abandoned it's original intent and caused much higher rates of criminality in aboriginal populations. I am assuming that after 12 convictions she has at some point "benefitted" from Gladue reporting.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by GGG

If you are going to have that discussion a racist one liner is not the way to introduce the discussion. If he had said let's discuss why Minority populations are over represented in crimes committed you could have a reasonable discussion but the one liner making no point appears to be racist.

Post was a simple observation. Nothing more. Nothing less. Everytime i read the newspaper or a link online, seems like the violent crimes in last few months are ethnic. Is it a gang thing? Either way. People need to stop being so sensitive on a siimple comment.

[Red Slinger]

Ah, the old "I'm not racist, it's just other people are too sensitive" defense.

But you're right about one thing: your observation was simple.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Husky

Post was a simple observation. Nothing more. Nothing less. Everytime i read the newspaper or a link online, seems like the violent crimes in last few months are ethnic. Is it a gang thing? Either way. People need to stop being so sensitive on a siimple comment.

Your wrong though even in an absolute sense.

White people (because of their majority) still commit more crime in general. So your observation is biased by what you choose to read and remember.

It's not being sensitive to call your post an attempt to incite hate. You even add the ... at the end. If you want to have a meaningful discussion people are likely open to it. Drive by anecdotal comments reinforcing stereotypes shouldn't be welcome here.