I would be interested to see how many pitbull breeds there are included in this kind of stat and how many pitbulls there are in the US compared to all other breeds in this chart. Are there like 10x more pibulls in the US than any other breed? I feel like there are a lot more pitbulls down there and hence more frequency. I was surprised to see that labs were 2nd on that list. Never would have guessed that.
22 deaths over a year in the entire US?! Maybe we should park this debate until we take care of some of the issues with a much higher body count like guns, cigarettes, junk food etc...
Thats only fatalities to humans. Who knows how many dogs they have killed in that year. Here are the numbers from 2017.
Thats only fatalities to humans. Who knows how many dogs they have killed in that year. Here are the numbers from 2017.
That chart says that only 43 dogs were killed by other dogs in 2017 in the US (unless those numbers are 100's or something)? I'd question where they're getting these numbers from, that seems really low. Can you post a link?
The amount of people that AR-15s and other automatic weapons kill on an annual basis in the US far outweighs what pitbulls are capable of. My stance on gun control and my stance on pitbulls can be different. These guns and bump stocks are too easy to get, the rules need to be different with guns in the US.
I do not see the need to continue to breed them either to be honest. I don't understand the need to have pure bred dogs. We have two mixed breeds from shelters. I will always "save" a dog from a shelter before seeking out a pure bred dog.
I just don't believe that it is the breed that is too blame here. We have too many stupid/immature/irresponsible people owning these power breeds to continue to allow everyone or anyone to own them. Hence, we need some sort of ownership program and harsher punishment for those who can't control their dogs. Huge fines or jail time if the damage is severe enough. Hopefully that will deter some people from getting these breeds in the future. Make them go to 4 weekends of training, hands on with these breeds. Educate them, require them to have a "license" before they can buy these breeds. I don't know, this all seems unreasonable to be honest, but I don't blame the breed.
I just don't see them ever being phased out or completely banned in Calgary. The people linked in the OP should be severely fined for allowing this sort of thing to happen. I am not sure what the punishment should be but it should affect their lives in a big way to help deter them from ever getting another dog that they can't control.
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I'm at work so I can watch it again now and haven't watched that 5th estate piece in a few months. I don't think they go to the SPCA to get evaluated. As soon as they are here they go straight to the home of the adopting family.
Wow, that doesn't seem like a good idea to me at all. I haven't watched that documentary yet either. Thanks for the info.
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That chart says that only 43 dogs were killed by other dogs in 2017 in the US? I'd question where they're getting these numbers from, that seems really low. Can you post a link?
Oh. Sorry that is the chart of 2017 human fatalities by dogs in the US as I only posted the 2016 one before. I couldn't find how many dogs were killed by other dogs.
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I have no skin in the game either way on this issue and I can see the sense in just phasing pit bulls out through eugenics, but that report was an awful, sensationalist mess that made me feel stupider and more narrow minded for having watched it. They were just advocating a position for 40 minutes, going out of their way to avoid empathy with those on the other side of the issue and purposely construing people on the other side as selfish and inhumane.Felt like 40 minutes of U.S. political ad rather than anything journalistic.
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To me, the greatest issue with these types of dogs is their energy level vs. their owners willingness to work with it. Some dogs NEED to be ran, worked, played and stimulated. Poorly mannered high energy dog doesn’t get given the chance to socialize from a young age. It gets left alone and becomes more and more pent up and energeticly anxious when it does interact with others.
It’s a vicious cycle, evident by some of the other posts here. You can’t take a dog to a dog park unless it’s recall is 100%, and you can’t have a dog off leash any where but a dog park. I have a lovely dog and it’s frustrating enough not being able to take him to burn some energy with other dogs because his recall is terrible (notorious for the breed). I can’t imagine trying to do it with a high energy dog who everyone was already skittish around.
Sure, it may not be the breeds fault at all. But the consequences of poor ownership are greater with certain breeds no doubt. A few bad apples kills the crop.
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If the breed is the problem, ban the breed.
If the owners are the problem, ban the breed.
Seriously why is it unreasonable to legislate against this higher potentially dangerous animal/owner combination?
Why give crappy people the chance?
Why allow and foster an environment where even the potential for violence is escalated?
Who cares if the owners go to jail after the fact? The person who was mauled and disfigured? Is the next dbag who wants a pit bull because they're cool going to reconsider based on some other jailed dbag pit bull owner? Doubtful.
We allow people to own assault rifles, just not high capacity magazines because it's a logical rule. I see pit bulls in the same light as high capacity magazines.
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We allow people to own assault rifles, just not high capacity magazines because it's a logical rule. I see pit bulls in the same light as high capacity magazines.
Except Pitbulls are less dangerous than both of those things, by an extreme margin.
If someone can own a gun, any gun at all, there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be able to own a dog.
But we can certainly do more to regulate the requirements of those owners.
Johnny Makarov. Ban him....Whats the point of that poster
In seriousness, I have a Shiba Inu, have had her for 14 years, and they are considered breed aggressive dogs and can inflict alot of damage. But as an owner I acknowledge that and I pay attention to her social settings and make sure everything is OK. Its the owners fault if the dog isn't managed appropriately. I've met plenty of pitties who are the most adorable dogs out there. I also have an ####### chihuahua. I have someone in the family who has an overly aggressive terrier (they are a terrible responsible owner). The point is there are plenty of dogs that can do plenty of damage. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're all that bad
Except Pitbulls are less dangerous than both of those things, by an extreme margin.
If someone can own a gun, any gun at all, there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be able to own a dog.
But we can certainly do more to regulate the requirements of those owners.
Would you prefer to leave a 6-year-old alone in a room with a loaded gun or with a pitbull? The child can be trained not to touch the gun. The pitbull can be trained not to attack. But these are both living things, and you can never be absolutely sure how they'll respond to circumstances. I'd feel pretty uneasy in both cases. Both can be instantly lethal. Both are out of the control of a responsible adult.
The raw numbers support that guns are more dangerous ("by an extreme margin" -- 600 accidental deaths vs. 20/year in USA). But normalized statistics may undermine that. Stats posted earlier indicate on the order of 20 pitbull-related fatalities per year, but that's with a breed population of about 18 million. That's over 1 per million per year. Meanwhile, the 600-odd accidental firearms deaths and a gun population of well over 300 million, giving under 2 per million per year.
Societally, guns are more dangerous in the extreme. PRIMARILY because they vastly outnumber pitbulls, and because they're used to commit harm intentionally. But on equal footing -- being out of responsible control -- a gun and a pitbull may not be all that different after all.
Just last week I saw 2 different blonde women get in car accidents.
Why the hell do we let them drive?
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Stereotypes are dumb.
Actually, young males do have higher insurance rates since they are statistically proven to be much more dangerous drivers. This is not just a stereotype.
Pitbulls are statistically proven to have much higher rates of violent attacks and kills. This is not just a stereotype.
If you're going to bring up driving as a comparable, you'll have to acknowledge that we already do treat more dangerous sub sets of drivers prohibitively and a similar system could be applied to pitbull owners.
If we are talking about human fatalities by dogs Pitbulls aren't anywhere near the top in Canada between 1983 and 2017 there were 43 deaths in Canada.
Huskies : 25%
Northern Dogs : 24%,(I believe this is refers to reserve dogs)
German Shepherd : 11%
Rottweiler : 9%
Sled Dog : 7%
Pitbull : 2%
The problem with saying Pitbull is that it includes a bunch of breeds. It'd be the same as including sled dogs and half of the "northern dogs" in with Huskies which would put them as being responsible for the over 50% of fatalities. "Pitbulls" often include up to 30 different breeds. People often include mastiff or Cane Corso mixes in the pitbull group as well and it's just irresponsible reporting.
Pitbulls should be more regulated I don't disagree, but those bad owners would just get a Rottweiler, German Shepherd, husky or a Cane Corso or any other bigger tougher type dog. Those are dogs easily do as much damage. I like Pitbulls but I don't own one because I don't have the time I feel I need to properly train and take care of one to the point I'd feel comfortable.
When it comes to dog fatalities yes Pitbulls are a large cause but in order to know what the problem is you need to know the situation. There was a story a couple years ago where a Pomeranian was killed in Ogden. Everyone blamed the Pitbull owner until it turned out he was across the road with his dogs on leash and under control and an off leash Pomeranian came running across the road and attacked the pitbull. The guy wasn't charged at all if I remember correctly.
The real problem with Pitbulls is that terrible owners (people that shouldn't have dogs at all) are able to get these dogs cheaply. That's why there's a problem, they can't get Rottweilers, and Cane Corso's for a couple hundred bucks off of Kijiji. Pitbulls are a popular dog because they are nice looking dogs often for a very cheap price so there are a lot of them. That's what needs to be controlled.
