28YO man comes to have sex with 13YO girl..parents arrested after tying him up

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by iggyformayor

Oh, ok. So it's perfectly legal to do everything leading up to the actual rape, the grooming, the pictures, etc., but the RCMP can't do anything until he actually rapes her?

I didn't say any such thing - they likely were building a case under 172.1 against him. However, that provision has very specific requirements - they have to establish his intention to commit an offense, not just in general, but with respect to a certain subset of other criminal code provisions. And I don't doubt they'd be able to. But it's not an easy case to make, and I seriously doubt that the pictures would be close to enough to do it. But I'm not a prosecutor or a police officer, so that's just an educated guess.

[Wormius]

I always check my kids emails to see what they're doing. If I saw something sketchy like perverted texts, I would immediately text that person back that I know what's going on, am handing all of the information to the police, and that that they may never contact my son/daughter again. I wouldn't invite them to my house. How do you know that guy isn't going to bring along 5 of his friends to participate with him. It's reckless.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

When they had those predator catchers that were entrapping people and basically doing it without the backing of the law, and actually getting innocent people caught up in this, and we were all saying it was wrong.

Those creep catchers managed to screw up and sideline more investigations than anything they ever actually 'got'. But hey, they got clicks and internet outrage, so #winning, amirite?

[Bagor]

Here is a less than one week old news report of very similar circumstances and disturbingly small sentencing time.

A Gatineau hockey coach has been sentenced to 90 days in jail after pleading guilty to a sex offence involving a 13-year-old girl.

Cody Lagacé, 30, admitted Tuesday to sending sexually explicit material to the girl for the purpose of preparing to have sex with her later. He must also do 50 hours of community service.

Two other charges — one of luring and one of sexual touching — were dropped.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...inst-teen-girl

I'm going to guess that the individual in this thread's case is looking at similar charges with the likelihood of a possible luring conviction screwed up by the parent's entrapment.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I always check my kids emails to see what they're doing. If I saw something sketchy like perverted texts, I would immediately text that person back that I know what's going on, am handing all of the information to the police, and that that they may never contact my son/daughter again. I wouldn't invite them to my house. How do you know that guy isn't going to bring along 5 of his friends to participate with him. It's reckless.

How old are your kids? Unless they're like 6 (they sound older than that) that's a total invasion of privacy.

[Flamenspiel]

^^why would you say that? Is there a legal definition?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

How old are your kids? Unless they're like 6 (they sound older than that) that's a total invasion of privacy.

You bet it is, and I applaud it whole heartedly.
I'm very happy to invade the privacy of my 11 year old daughter. Her internet access and cell phone are a privilege, not a right.
She knows the rules and happily lives under them. She actually brings certain things to my attention, if she is concerned they're not 'safe'.
This proves to me she is learning, growing up. At some point before long she will ask that her activities no longer be monitored, and that will happen, gradually.

If this makes me a bad parent, I happily embrace it.

[WinnipegFan]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

You bet it is, and I applaud it whole heartedly.
I'm very happy to invade the privacy of my 11 year old daughter. Her internet access and cell phone are a privilege, not a right.
She knows the rules and happily lives under them. She actually brings certain things to my attention, if she is concerned they're not 'safe'.
This proves to me she is learning, growing up. At some point before long she will ask that her activities no longer be monitored, and that will happen, gradually.

If this makes me a bad parent, I happily embrace it.

Screw that, this is exactly what makes you a good parent. What child has the ability to make these decisions alone. Anyone claiming an invasion of privacy either doesn’t have kids and if they do I truly hope they never face anything like this. Uninvolved parents are exactly what these creeps are looking for.

Kudos to you monitoring your kids, more importantly ensuring they know what a privilege is lieu of any rights they have. One of the greatest issues I face every day is entitled kids with too much responsibility to handle alone.

[CroFlames]

Easy to be level headed and thoughtful when you are not involved with the issue and have a deeper knowledge of the law than the average citizen.

If your daughter was in danger, would you simply rely on someone else to protect her, especially in the heat of the moment?

I am not sure how I would act.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

How old are your kids? Unless they're like 6 (they sound older than that) that's a total invasion of privacy.

Was in an invasion of privacy when you had to bathe them and wipe their asses?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Was in an invasion of privacy when you had to bathe them and wipe their asses?

Uhh, yes. And probably a form of assault, depending on the age. How many 11 year olds are having their asses wiped for them? If you think it's okay to bathe teens, you need to seek help. N-E-B made it clear that if they were still very young, it was fine.

It's almost like age matters and there's a difference between a three year old and a teen...

[troutman]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

You bet it is, and I applaud it whole heartedly.
I'm very happy to invade the privacy of my 11 year old daughter. Her internet access and cell phone are a privilege, not a right.
She knows the rules and happily lives under them. She actually brings certain things to my attention, if she is concerned they're not 'safe'.
This proves to me she is learning, growing up. At some point before long she will ask that her activities no longer be monitored, and that will happen, gradually.

If this makes me a bad parent, I happily embrace it.

Would you treat a son differently?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by troutman

Would you treat a son differently?

Since my wife and I have the same approach as Eldrick, and we have a boy and a girl, I'll field that question:

Yes.

Edit: Misunderstood the question. No, we do not treat our son differently. In fact, since he's more keen on online mediums, and also less responsible in general, we've had to intervene more often with him than with our daughter. Basically, they're not allowed to engage with strangers online. Period. And we do monitor their emails, especially my son's.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Sliver

haha, yeah, because that would really help your daughter.

Instead of being here while you grow up, get married, have your first kid, etc., Daddy's going away for 25 years. Love you, baby.

25 years LOL, you'd be out in 10 months for good behavior lets be honest here.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Uhh, yes. And probably a form of assault, depending on the age. How many 11 year olds are having their asses wiped for them? If you think it's okay to bathe teens, you need to seek help. N-E-B made it clear that if they were still very young, it was fine.

It's almost like age matters and there's a difference between a three year old and a teen...

Since you are literally trying to be dense, I will explain it to you clearly.

Is it an invasion of privacy to wipe your baby's ass or bathe your toddler? No. Its parenting.

Is it an invasion of privacy to monitor and control what your adolescent or preteen children do on the internet? No. Its parenting.

Is it an invasion of privacy to check your child's grades in high school to monitor and encourage them onto the right paths? Obviously no.

Nice try equating I have a desire to assault my children and bathe them when they are teens and that I need help.

[Oling_Roachinen]

The point was N-E-B said that reading your child's emails was an invasion of privacy depending on age. You made the ludicrous claim to equate it to bathing your child.

My point was that age mattered in all of those cases. Which you agree with, so thanks.

[northcrunk]

I can't say I would have done exactly the same as these parents I sympathize with them. If he came to my house I wouldn't have bothered tying him up as he would be asleep.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by Royle9

25 years LOL, you'd be out in 10 months for good behavior lets be honest here.

Yeah but with all the new prison tatts...he'd be in-recognizeable...

[Erick Estrada]

What if the guy came to the house with a weapon? What if there was a struggle and someone got seriously injured or killed. I understand the parents worries but what they did was extremely foolish.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by troutman

Would you treat a son differently?

Is a good question.
It was a while ago when I had boys, and they had little internet access and no cell phone - but I expect i would treat them the same.
I worry more about girls though. I'm not sure if that makes me sexist, or patriarchal, or if it is a valid concern.

Just read Cliff's answer above. It's a good one. Any one child may require more monitoring than another, regardless of gender. My little one still lives in a fairy tale world. I cherish the naivety, and it scares me!