One child dead, 14 others sent to hospital (Stoney First Nation)

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

the government is not doing anyone any favors by pumping money to reserves.

So the government should just cut off the transfer payments? Newsflash! First Nations are already severely underfunded.

[rbochan]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

But it doesn't say Influenza it says Influenza like symptoms which are caused by so many other things...

Ricin.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Probably Lupus.

It's never lupus.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

So, not a meth lab then? So completely baseless speculation then?

Disappointed but not surprised someone went there.

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Where did he go? You think because he said Meth lab he was implying that because they were native? If so I can honestly say I have never heard that stereotype.

Its possible if it was done at this residence or even if prior residents did it because of the fumes and such during production and/or residue from prior production.

Personally if we are playing the predictions game even though the authorities are tight lipped about it I'm going with Hantavirus.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by David Struch

So the government should just cut off the transfer payments? Newsflash! First Nations are already severely underfunded.

The Federal government already spends 28% more per FN person than the population at large, so I'm not sure what you mean by underfunded.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

The Federal government already spends 28% more per FN person than the population at large, so I'm not sure what you mean by underfunded.

Can you state your source on this factoid because it reeks of b.s. fuzzy math to me. Fraser institute would be my first guess.

[DiracSpike]

haha you betcha it's Fraser institute. 9k for FN vs 7.3k for everyone else.

Beyond your axe grinding over a source you don't like, are you seriously debating the fact that the government spends more on FN than others?

[meritmat]

If it was making a diff I got no problem with it but from what I see it being wasted and or mismanaged. Love to see my tax dollars going down the drain

[GGG]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

haha you betcha it's Fraser institute. 9k for FN vs 7.3k for everyone else.

Beyond your axe grinding over a source you don't like, are you seriously debating the fact that the government spends more on FN than others?

Do they have a comparable spending ratio between urban and rural? Is this purely status Indian or all First Nations? If it is just Status Indian then I can see remoteness representing the reason for a large portion of that spending.

Also has this number been normalized for income. As the government spends less on wealthy people than poor in general. So the comparison when you take out a poorer demographic group should be to as close as sample as possible.

So Id be interested in reading the basis behind the two numbers if you have a link handy.

[MBates]

Perhaps I am going to go way out on a limb here but I will anyway.

To start toward the path of 'fixing' all the problems on the reserve, try responding to a news event like this without any stereotypes, assumptions, or entirely irrelevant stories about 'someone I know once told me' how horrible the reserves are.

A family has lost a child to an apparent serous illness...that was so serious it afflicted several of them and sent them to hospital. Unless I am missing something that is really the information we have.

Why are we not discussing gathering donations to help them through this tragedy assuming that one or more of the people who earn the money for the family will not be able to do so while in hospital? or while grieving?

What difference does it make that they are from a reserve?

Former Chief Justice Mclachlin would often share in speeches she gave around the country and the world that the way for reconciliation to truly occur and for problems of indigenous communities to be resolved would be through individual acts of kindness and respect between ordinary people. This story is partially told in an article following her retirement:

Her hometown invited her back early in her tenure as chief justice. It was naming a street after her, Bev McLachlin Drive. At the celebrations, a tall, handsome Indigenous man approached her with a gift: pearl earrings he had crafted himself. "Your parents were the most wonderful people, and I will never forget them," he told her.

He described coming to the Gietz sawmill as a boy, with his parents and several siblings. It was Ernest Gietz's birthday, and Eleanora Gietz invited the large family in for cake. His piece had the dime she'd baked into it for luck. Ms. McLachlin remembered the visit, and asked why he found it so meaningful.

"It was the first time I ever went into a white person's home," he replied.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37588525/

It is not easy for everyone, but for my part I am trying to follow this example. Debating statistics or the history of colonialism or whatever else people seem inclined to do is largely a fool's errand...because all it really does is focus on differences and comparisons of two separate and unknown to each other communities.

Make your community part of this family's community in even the smallest way and you will have done more to move society toward a solution than any government program or intervention or study could ever accomplish. And more importantly, you and they will all be the better for it.

As a father who has had two children at different times hospitalized in serious enough circumstances I have had to contemplate what I would do if they did not survive, I would like to find a way to tell this family of strangers that I am incredibly sorry for their loss. It would be fantastic if this was the only thing on the minds of more people after hearing about this terrible story.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do they have a comparable spending ratio between urban and rural? Is this purely status Indian or all First Nations? If it is just Status Indian then I can see remoteness representing the reason for a large portion of that spending.

Also has this number been normalized for income. As the government spends less on wealthy people than poor in general. So the comparison when you take out a poorer demographic group should be to as close as sample as possible.

So Id be interested in reading the basis behind the two numbers if you have a link handy.

Even if First Nations are more expensive for the government only because they are disproportionately poor and rural, would that not be an issue?

[driveway]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

So, not a meth lab then? So completely baseless speculation then?

Disappointed but not surprised someone went there.

Hence why I made it clear it was a 'gut feeling' and a 'prediction,' though coming from a source who has intimate knowledge not only of the reserve, but of the specific home involved and the people who live there.

Indeed speculation, but far from baseless.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by MBates

A family has lost a child to an apparent serous illness...that was so serious it afflicted several of them and sent them to hospital. Unless I am missing something that is really the information we have.

Why are we not discussing gathering donations to help them through this tragedy assuming that one or more of the people who earn the money for the family will not be able to do so while in hospital? or while grieving?

We're also not discussing why these people let a child get so sick he/she died before even getting to the hospital. That's usually something we jump down people's throats for,

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SebC

Even if First Nations are more expensive for the government only because they are disproportionately poor and rural, would that not be an issue?

I think it points to a different cause.

I think the inference that gets drawn from the FN gets 28% more money than the average Canadian is that the First Nations are wasting money. It's the type of number that is designed to provoke a racist response.

If it was entirely due to economic circumstance and location then the story is poor rural communities in general cost the government more and the solutions proposed would be different. And if we found out that the government actually spends more on rural poor non First Nations people then you could make the argument that reserves are underfunded.

The statement presented here without context (now context May be within the study) tells us very little on if the current level of spending is reasonable high or low.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

We're also not discussing why these people let a child get so sick he/she died before even getting to the hospital. That's usually something we jump down people's throats for,

People are discussing this because very little information has been released and what has been released raises more questions than answers. People like mysteries. The internet is full of forums and discussions about situations such as this.

Thinking about this further, Im thinking its Fentanyl related. At first I thought it might be, as others stated carbon monoxide poisoning, or a bad flu strain or even TB which has had a recent comeback in certain areas. I dont think it sounds like carbon monoxide based on the limited details and why would RCMP major crimes be investigating a health issue. RCMP might be there if there was negligence (but not major crimes) but if there was a TB outbreak happening then we'd likely have a public health alert. It would be unlikely that TB or even the flu would be contained only to residents of one home and not spread to others on the reserve.
I think its possible someone (could have been a visitor, not necessarily a resident) brought Fentanyl into the house and inadvertently the residents of the house got exposed to it.

Flu-like symptoms is such a vague description but you will find it listed as a symptom when looking at Fentanyl exposure/OD/withdrawal.

[Northendzone]

given the magnitude of this event, I hope that someone "official" releases an update that outlines what happened.

[Kybb79]

So many racists in this topic. Funny when your PM spends all your money on immigrants and you blame First Nations.

[Kybb79]

Nm

[taco.vidal]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4129201/s...atory-viruses/

Alberta health officials say a “variety of common respiratory viruses” caused an emergency hospital transport of over a dozen people from a home on Stoney Nakoda First Nation on Wednesday. Ten of the patients were children, Alberta Health Services (AHS) said.

Weird story. There's been over 60 flu deaths in Alberta. Did the Major Crimes division of the local police investigate those deaths? Where was the media for those deaths?

[CaptainCrunch]

It still is amazing to me that in the battle against diseases that we still struggle so much with viral infections.