What about Brian Burke?

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Brouwer is big though...

You do not have to be big to win in the NHL

Tampa Bay does not really have any big forwards outside of Killorn

Pittsburgh does not really have any big forwards in their top 9

Nashville has Fiala, Arvidsson and Turris in their top 6 and none of them are big. Nashville has 3 dmen under 6'1 in their top 4.

Size is not an issue and is not a determinative factor for success in the modern NHL.

All of those teams have players that hate to lose. Size can be overcome, in some cases, by having players that compete hard. The Flames are lacking in this area, to say the least.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Brick

All of those teams have players that hate to lose. Size can be overcome, in some cases, by having players that compete hard. The Flames are lacking in this area, to say the least.

In 14-15 the team was lead by Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Bennett (in the playoffs), Giordano, and Brodie, and were known as a team that was relentless and had an epic never-say-die attitude. You bring in a different coach, with a different attitude and different system, and those same players produce different results.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Burke read CP. Strong armed Tre into getting Prout

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Brick

Team is built around a 5'9" soft player who should have only been a complimentary piece.

Also, too many soft defencemen that play average at best.

There needs to be changes in how this team is fundamentally built or we can expect more of the same mediocrity.

It doesn't matter so much that they are average sized but they need to be fast. You cant be small and slow, its one or the other. Then we need a coach that teaches a system that compliments our game. We aren't big enough for a grind em out possession style. We are built from the back out and we need to activate the D more and force more odd man rushes. I think this team is better suited for a Vigneault or a Quenneville, (Hartley) type. But then again we aren't that fast this year either. You have to work towards your strengths.

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Mike F

In 14-15 the team was lead by Monahan, Gaudreau, Backlund, Bennett (in the playoffs), Giordano, and Brodie, and were known as a team that was relentless and had an epic never-say-die attitude. You bring in a different coach, with a different attitude and different system, and those same players produce different results.

They couldn't get by the Ducks then or now.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Size is not an issue and is not a determinative factor for success in the modern NHL.

To which Burke says...

https://giphy.com/gifs/ethan-burke-IkOLRkuwWAg36

Burke is superfluous... I seriously think Ken King just has a fetish for crotchety old hockey men and was feeling thirsty after firing Sutter and that's the reason he's here.

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Psytic

It doesn't matter so much that they are average sized but they need to be fast. You cant be small and slow, its one or the other. Then we need a coach that teaches a system that compliments our game. We aren't big enough for a grind em out possession style. We are built from the back out and we need to activate the D more and force more odd man rushes. I think this team is better suited for a Vigneault or a Quenneville, (Hartley) type. But then again we aren't that fast this year either. You have to work towards your strengths.

You're right. They aren't big enough for a grind em out possession game.
They also aren't fast enough.
So, they need to get bigger, faster, and younger. Easy to say, tough to do, but they need to make a move or two in that direction if they hope to be able to compete with the big boys.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Brick

To start with, he should have traded Gaudreau and Brodie for the best players he could find that hate to lose. If none available for them, then acquire draft picks and find them that way. Both replacements should be big enough to compete against big teams in their division.

Brouwer and Stajan should be placed on waivers. Replace them with players that can contribute something to this team, even if it's by promoting from the farm.

There needs to be a message sent to the players that it isn't going to be a country club anymore.

Trade Gaudreau? This team would be a basement dweller if it wasn’t for him. His multi game point streak coincided with this team’s best string of games this season when we went 7-2. If anything, we need more Gaudreau’s who can create offense because this team can’t seem to score enough goals to win every night.

The Kings are a huge team and they missed the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years. This is a skating league now. If you can’t skate, you can’t be effective in this league anymore. Why do you think Stajan and Brouwer are terrible now? They didn’t just forget how to play hockey, they just can’t keep up with the play anymore. They’re constantly behind the play and chasing.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Brick

To start with, he should have traded Gaudreau and Brodie for the best players he could find that hate to lose. If none available for them, then acquire draft picks and find them that way. Both replacements should be big enough to compete against big teams in their division.

Brouwer and Stajan should be placed on waivers. Replace them with players that can contribute something to this team, even if it's by promoting from the farm.

There needs to be a message sent to the players that it isn't going to be a country club anymore.

It's easy to say trade Gaudreau and Brodie but who are we actually trading them for? Who in your eyes would actually would make this team better and is a realistic trade to happen?

And if it is picks there are no guarantees the guys we select are even any better than those two.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by Hackey

It's easy to say trade Gaudreau and Brodie but who are we actually trading them for? Who in your eyes would actually would make this team better and is a realistic trade to happen?

And if it is picks there are no guarantees the guys we select are even any better than those two.

If we can Get Matt Tkachuks younger brother would be a good move for almost any of the talented softies on this team but keep Brody and move Hamilton.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by rooster

If we can Get Matt Tkachuks younger brother would be a good move for almost any of the talented softies on this team but keep Brody and move Hamilton.

Who deals you a top 5 pick for Hamilton? Maybe Buffalo. If the team is trading Hamilton though I think you are better off trying to go after someone a bit more established. Brady Tkachuk doesn't make this team better in the near future and for a team that needs scoring I don't think hes the answer.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Parallex

To which Burke says...

https://giphy.com/gifs/ethan-burke-IkOLRkuwWAg36

Burke is superfluous... I seriously think Ken King just has a fetish for crotchety old hockey men and was feeling thirsty after firing Sutter and that's the reason he's here.

King wanted someone to ride shotgun when he goes to the old mans club to sip brandy and smoke cigars while surrounded by many leather bound books and rich mahogany woodwork.