Why are the Flames so boring?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

He’s doesn’t coach to the players strengths. They want to play a trap style, grind the other team down with cycling game. But our best players are mobile defencemen and the leagues smallest forward.

He keeps trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole . Good coaches maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. Bad coaches create a system that works in their mind, but are too ???? To adapt when things don’t go according to plan and/or the other teams COACH changes their strategy

Wondering how much coaching you have done and at what level?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Results speak for themselves . I don’t really care WHY he can’t win as a coach, just that he can’t.

ah, I see you have thought about this a lot.

[Backlunds_socks]

Originally Posted by TOfan

ah, I see you have thought about this a lot.

So it’s not about the results?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DJones

There's nothing wrong with stocking up on offensive defenders. The problem is if you don't use them.

We have Brodie and Hamilton. There isn't 5 teams in the league with a better defensive skaters. And yet all we use them for is to make the first pass and passively follow up.

Why even have those types of players if we aren't going to use them. In the current system Stone is a better defender than Brodie or Hamilton. I like Stone, he's a stereotypical stay at home guy. We could get 4 of him no problem and save a boat load of cap space not paying Hamilton and Brodie. So make a choice. Either get a bunch of Stones, or use the elite skaters we have in a constructive way.

We need some offensive wingers that know what to do with the puck when our defencemen pass. We are thin on the wings for great offensive talent which puts way to much pressure on Gaudreau.

That is my big concern with Treliving and his too much focus on defence in the draft or via the trade.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by DJones

There's nothing wrong with stocking up on offensive defenders. The problem is if you don't use them.

We have Brodie and Hamilton. There isn't 5 teams in the league with two better defensive skaters. And yet all we use them for is to make the first pass and passively follow up.

Why even have those types of players if we aren't going to use them. In the current system Stone is a better defender than Brodie or Hamilton. I like Stone, he's a stereotypical stay at home guy. We could get 4 of him no problem and save a boat load of cap space not paying Hamilton and Brodie. So make a choice. Either get a bunch of Stones, or use the elite skaters we have in a constructive way.

Agree 100% it frustrates me beyond belief that the offensive capabilities of the D has been stifled. Everyone forgets how much the d can and should contribute to the scoresheet.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How do you know these things?

Red must have eyes in the dressing room.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How do you know these things?

There are just some people who find themselves in the wrong role in life.

Just like some people who call themselves teachers are actually not educators. Some people will never be suited for a CEO role.

When you look at GG on the bench, he just seems lifeless. He never seems to talk to his players, he never seems to call a time out to try and settle them down, he is on record for saying he never talks to them after the game. He talks the same talk every time he is interviewed. Boring.

And lifeless is what the Flames are on the ice right now. They show no desire or motivation. They have given up.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Wondering how much coaching you have done and at what level?

7 years including high Jr. Why?

I’ve also been coached by two ex Flames when I was younger . I may know a thing or 2 about how to play the game !

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Backlunds_socks

So it’s not about the results?

lets put it this way; GG has one of 31 NHL head coaching positions. This is his second time doing so and he is still in his 40's, so its no fluke he has this job. He probably knows a thing or two and the people who hired him know a thing or two as well. The fact he is a coach in the NHL means he is at the very top of his profession.

what do you do? Are you one of the best carpenter's in the world? one of the best accountants in the world? one of the best garbage men in the world? I'm going to go out on a limb and respectfully say, you're not.

'Fans' who come on here ready for a witch hunt, who don't know SFA about coaching are the worst.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

7 years including high Jr. Why?

high Jr? what's high Jr?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TOfan

lets put it this way; GG has one of 31 NHL head coaching positions. This is his second time doing so and he is still in his 40's, so its no fluke he has this job. He probably knows a thing or two and the people who hired him know a thing or two as well. The fact he is a coach in the NHL means he is at the very top of his profession.

what do you do? Are you one of the best carpenter's in the world? one of the best accountants in the world? one of the best garbage men in the world? I'm going to go out on a limb and respectfully say, you're not.

'Fans' who come on here ready for a witch hunt, who don't know SFA about coaching are the worst.

In the history of the NHL how many coaches have been fired ? But I guess they were all great. This isn’t he try league , it’s the get it Fn done league

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by redforever

There are just some people who find themselves in the wrong role in life.

Just like some people who call themselves teachers are actually not educators. Some people will never be suited for a CEO role.

When you look at GG on the bench, he just seems lifeless. He never seems to talk to his players, he never seems to call a time out to try and settle them down, he is on record for saying he never talks to them after the game. He talks the same talk every time he is interviewed. Boring.

And lifeless is what the Flames are on the ice right now. They show no desire or motivation. They have given up.

wow, this is great. do you read peoples hands?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by redforever

There are just some people who find themselves in the wrong role in life.

Just like some people who call themselves teachers are actually not educators. Some people will never be suited for a CEO role.

When you look at GG on the bench, he just seems lifeless. He never seems to talk to his players, he never seems to call a time out to try and settle them down, he is on record for saying he never talks to them after the game. He talks the same talk every time he is interviewed. Boring.

And lifeless is what the Flames are on the ice right now. They show no desire or motivation. They have given up.

nm

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by TOfan

lets put it this way; GG has one of 31 NHL head coaching positions. This is his second time doing so and he is still in his 40's, so its no fluke he has this job. He probably knows a thing or two and the people who hired him know a thing or two as well. The fact he is a coach in the NHL means he is at the very top of his profession.

what do you do? Are you one of the best carpenter's in the world? one of the best accountants in the world? one of the best garbage men in the world? I'm going to go out on a limb and respectfully say, you're not.

'Fans' who come on here ready for a witch hunt, who don't know SFA about coaching are the worst.

This is a fan forum of a spectator sport. If you only want to hear from NHL coaches you’re in the wrong place.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TOfan

lets put it this way; GG has one of 31 NHL head coaching positions. This is his second time doing so and he is still in his 40's, so its no fluke he has this job. He probably knows a thing or two and the people who hired him know a thing or two as well. The fact he is a coach in the NHL means he is at the very top of his profession.

what do you do? Are you one of the best carpenter's in the world? one of the best accountants in the world? one of the best garbage men in the world? I'm going to go out on a limb and respectfully say, you're not.

'Fans' who come on here ready for a witch hunt, who don't know SFA about coaching are the worst.

Being hired as an NHL coach is not a gauretee of any success. You have to prove that you are worthy of that contract you signed. Just ask the coaches that get fired.

As for fans knowing SFA, could please provide us with your years of coaching and the levels you coached at. Also any coaching clinics you attened. Please and thanks

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by TOfan

nm

Not gonna quote your whole post, but do you honestly think GG would be a HC of another team if the Flames didn't hire him. Tier 2 head coaches come and go that's how it works. It's a results driven league, and right now the coach is not bringing in the results.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TOfan

lets put it this way; GG has one of 31 NHL head coaching positions. This is his second time doing so and he is still in his 40's, so its no fluke he has this job. He probably knows a thing or two and the people who hired him know a thing or two as well. The fact he is a coach in the NHL means he is at the very top of his profession.

what do you do? Are you one of the best carpenter's in the world? one of the best accountants in the world? one of the best garbage men in the world? I'm going to go out on a limb and respectfully say, you're not.

'Fans' who come on here ready for a witch hunt, who don't know SFA about coaching are the worst.

By your own poor argument, the people who hired him (Treliving) know nothing about coaching, since he's never actually been an NHL coach himself.

In fact it appears he's less qualified than the people you're arguing with on this forum who have coached more than our GM.

[Dajazz]

It's Brett Sutter v2.0-Hockey. Mistake-free, five man break out, dump in and low risk hockey. Guluclown does not adapt to game situations or his players. I barely watch the flames anymore, the time difference combined with their lack of play doesn't make it worthwhile.

In the beginning it was positioning and gap control on D, now it's the breakout and zone entry. It's flawed coaching, it's like expecting all employees to work 100% according to routine 100% of the time - and if there isn't a 100% chance of goal you cycle back or dump. An idiot can drive up possession like that - it's playing not to lose.

[Hemi-Cuda]

I've completely tuned the Flames out, haven't watched a full game in weeks. It would be one thing if they were bad but still entertaining ala the Hartley years, but there's no way I'm dedicating 2+ hours to watch an incredibly boring team lose a game

[GranteedEV]

Things that make this team boring:

Never trying to exploit opponents' achilles heels in some holier-than-thou attempt at only focusing on themselves

Matt Bartkowski inevitibly being a three zone blackhole yet never being waived

Defensemen will always back off instead of pinch (Gulutzan's "50/50 Hockey")

Defensemen never attack the slot offensively to open up passing lanes on the cycle

Defensemen are afraid to walk the line to create a shooting lane

Defensemen have forgotten how strong their stretch passing skill was

Our once best defenseman being forced to play a system and the side of the ice where his elite traits are neutered while his weak traits are magnified

Forward lines that never get meaningfully juggled even when the team is ice cold offensively in a naive adherance to "slotting"

A power play that places no emohasis on using the area behind the net or player motion to set up legitimate chances.

Breakouts never use the middle of the ice out of some misapplied bantam hockey philosophies

Risk averse forecheck / neutral zone play

Smith playing the puck to hit stationary defensemen and slow down the pace

Brouwer, a player devoid of speed, compete level, skill and sufficient hockey IQ, wearing a letter and being a vocal component in a locker room that seemed more ambitious before he came into the picture

Stajan and Brouwer seeing ice time on crucial penalty kills

Bennett and Hamilton, regardless of "ice time", being continuously underused and misused

Mangiapane, Kylington, Andersson, Hrivik, Poirier, Klimchuk, Foo rottin in the minors so we can play Brouwer, Stajan, Bartkowski, Lazar, Hamilton

Coaching staff's explicitly stated aversion to increasing ugency when trailing

All in all, 3 on 5 hockey. It sucks. Jerrard sucks. Cameron sucks. Gulutzan sucks. Maloney sucks. Treliving sucks. Burke sucks. Tod Button is the only reason this team isn't even worse off. Gelinas/Conroy are good, but have been essentially sidelined into irrelevelant roles compared to where they were two or three years ago.