Flames have lots of youth really close, but they don't want to rush them and gift them spots right off the bat to start a season, so we've seen them continue to bring in older veteran players to ease the transition. Guys like Versteeg, Jagr, Glass, who along with Stajan won't be here again next season and might not even make to the end of this season as they are pushed out gradually by young guys like Janko, Hathaway and hopefully Mangiapane, etc.
Hamilton sitting in the press box 80% or more of the time isn't a big deal IMO.
It's just too bad Brouwer has 2 years left on his deal, but at least his NTC downgrades to limited after July 1st so that if a trade can be found at least he can't block it. Hopefully his play doesn't continue to degrade which in essence is the ultimate NTC.
Why is it 'gifting' a spot when the player is younger and not when its Glass?
Its not like these guys are 18 and being pulled from junior. These are guys who've spent year(s) in the AHL we are talking about.
Put your best team on the ice.
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What is the team's contract number at right now? It could very be that they're trying to rid themselves of another pro deal so they can either make a trade or sign a prospect.
I do see the thought process on this, but would prefer Stajan be watching from the press box instead of being sent down. I feel the guy deserves better due to his time with the Flames.
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Why is it 'gifting' a spot when the player is younger and not when its Glass?
Its not like these guys are 18 and being pulled from junior. These are guys who've spent year(s) in the AHL we are talking about.
Put your best team on the ice.
This is a fair criticism. Lots of guys were "gifted" a spot out of camp ahead of Jankowski (Hamilton and Lazar to name two and we could argue several others). Glass actually had a decent camp but most realized it was hs ceiling.
Problem is the lack of forward prospects knocking down the door after Janko. None of them had a good camp and after Mangiapane, how many are killing it at Stockton?
Yeah, Glass was a shot across the bow for some of the younger players. You aren't being gifted a spot if you don't work.
I also think the first month or so is the team testing and figuring things out. The roster on opening night is never the roster that finishes a season. Bottom line the message is work hard and we will make room for you. I am sure Treliving wanted it done sooner, but the market sounds like it was tough to move anyone. As rookies are sent back to junior and some players starting to be shuffled around, I think the market may open up a bit for GMs.
IMO Glass had two effects in his short time here:
-Made the young work for it. All the players sent down late are working and playing hard. No one is pouting.
-Gave some goodwill for Treliving in the hockey circles. Probably doesn't hurt in his future dealings with vets and agents.
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I do see the thought process on this, but would prefer Stajan be watching from the press box instead of being sent down. I feel the guy deserves better due to his time with the Flames.
Also, he'll probably have some value at the trade deadline, whether to the Flames or to another team trying to make a run.
It's odd. Essentially all the moves the fans decried (sending down Jankowski, signing Glass, keeping FHamilton) are being rectified. These all seemed incredibly obvious to us, but it's taken management and the coaches a month to make the moves.
What's the deal here? I don't think we're smarter than the guys in charge. I think we might be more reactionary and willing to dispose of marginal talent regardless of whether they're a veteran or have put in a number of years into the team. Is that it? Management is more cautious and moves more slowly and less reactionarily, even though they probably see the same things we do?
I think this is probably on point, although I would add a couple of other things:
1) As much as we all like to think that teams need to make cold, hard business decisions that are purely and only in the best interests of the team, the players are people. The effect of personal relationships may have an even greater impact in the environs of a professional sports team than most other professions for the simple fact that they spend so much time together, while also isolated from other more traditional social circles.
2) We still only get a very partial glimpse of the outworking of a hockey team. We only see what they allow us to see, and I continue to maintain that there is a tonne more going on behind closed doors and away from prying eyes that factor into these decisions.
In the end, I guess this is why I find the apoplexy these decisions cause for a number of posters quite bewildering. Team coaches and management seem pretty consistent in their ability to adapt and to make the "right" (impersonal) decisions when all is said and done.
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Shouldn't have been signed in the first place. If this org doesn't have call-ups providing what Glass provides then it has serious depth problems.
Not sure why much focus is on reclamation projects, it's like the Flames want to find a bargain with these Grossman, Glass types.
Thought Glass did have good games with us, but would rather the Flames had more confidence in guys pushing for spots in the system. If some guys were not ready at the start of training camp then maybe we should have more call ups showcasing the 4th line during the season? Makes no sense when players are not being groomed and are just expected to make the jump. Bring guys up let them develop some expectation and chemistry withing the big club.
Good concept, "cooking in the AHL" but what about some transitioning to the big club?
This is a fair criticism. Lots of guys were "gifted" a spot out of camp ahead of Jankowski (Hamilton and Lazar to name two and we could argue several others). Glass actually had a decent camp but most realized it was hs ceiling.
Problem is the lack of forward prospects knocking down the door after Janko. None of them had a good camp and after Mangiapane, how many are killing it at Stockton?
Hathaway is tied for 4th in the AHL in scoring - 13 points in 11 games and 3rd in goals scored. Hrvik is a point per game - 9 points in 9 games.
I think this is probably on point, although I would add a couple of other things:
1) As much as we all like to think that teams need to make cold, hard business decisions that are purely and only in the best interests of the team, the players are people. The effect of personal relationships may have an even greater impact in the environs of a professional sports team than most other professions for the simple fact that they spend so much time together, while also isolated from other more traditional social circles.
2) We still only get a very partial glimpse of the outworking of a hockey team. We only see what they allow us to see, and I continue to maintain that there is a tonne more going on behind closed doors and away from prying eyes that factor into these decisions.
In the end, I guess this is why I find the apoplexy these decisions cause for a number of posters quite bewildering. Team coaches and management seem pretty consistent in their ability to adapt and to make the "right" (impersonal) decisions when all is said and done.
In regards to (1) - Glass was on a tryout and had been with the team so pretty sure the people thing is a non-issue here.
In regards to (2) - we see the only part that matters. Being a beast in the weight room or a good guy in the room is great but matters very little. But these guys are professional athletes. Since they've played competitive hockey - they've seen buddies get cut or moved from teams. We equate their experiences to our experiences at our jobs, but its a completely different environment that they are used to and can handle just fine.
