Should we be going for Ovie?

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

What would you rather have:

Option A) Brouwer + Stajan + Bouma good for 22 goals
Option B) Ovechkin good for 33 goals

Keep in mind option A has a higher cap hit next season.

Whoa! If the speculated package for Ovechkin was considered by the Capitals you take that deal all day long.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

First thing that jumped into my head: Ovi for Draisaitl.

I'm just saying.

...... oh god. Nevermind trade Washington everything, don't let this happen.

In all seriousness, we already have a perennial 30 score scorer who is 22 and makes 3 mil a season less than Ovechkin. He also takes faceoffs. Ovechkin has no place on this team at his age and contract.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha. Ouch

Ouch but altogether irrelevant
Whether or not the Flames should acquire AO has little to do with cap cost - it is about acquisition cost.

[Imported_Aussie]

Wonder if Vegas makes sense.
They have some early draft picks due to being expansion, and post draft will have a lot of pieces that they could trade. They have McPhee who is Ovechkin's old GM, they have signed and shown interest in Russians, and it could also be a good fit for Ovechkin personally.
It also makes that team credible in the eyes of the media and would win over a lot of casual fans to that fanbase

[topfiverecords]

Only if he charges his controller fully before the game.

[Vinny01]

McPhee came out this weekend and denied any interest in Ovie. I also heard the Stars have also said they do not have interest.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Whoa! If the speculated package for Ovechkin was considered by the Capitals you take that deal all day long.

I know. The point is to those complaining about cap hit need to understand there's way worse ways to spend it. Even two 20-goal scorers at 4.5million each might not live up to Ovy on his good years.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't really know if its draft picks that Washington would want. Frankly even if they traded Ovie, I can't see them going into a rebuild, its still a team with a lot of really good pieces. I think this is about a leadership change and a shift in culture.

I would expect that the Caps would want a good young player that's already NHL established as a star, plus a high end prospect or two.

So, and I clearly wouldn't do this, a Monahan, MT and Fox type of package. for Ovie and a add on of some type.

I however don't think that juice is worth the squeeze, but it would certainly leave Vegas out.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

What would you rather have:

Option A) Brouwer + Stajan + Bouma good for 22 goals
Option B) Ovechkin good for 33 goals

Keep in mind option A has a higher cap hit next season.

This package was exactly my thought.
Caps don't have a tonne of cap room, and only have 6 Forwards, 4 D and 1 Goalie signed into next season, with under $23M in cap space.

Though none of the 3 players offered are elite, or stars, they are all useful NHL players. I'd assume there'd also be a solid prospect (D-man - Kylington/Fox) and the 1st rounder attached as well. Salaries balance closely, and they fill 2 (possibly 3) additional holes.

Sadly, MacLellan likely laughs this one off in the process of hanging up on Treliving.

[Beninho]

I don't see this happening at all. Caps would want Tkachuk, no way in hell we give up an already 2 way beast for an older Russian one dimensional goal scorer. Tkachuk is untouchable, so this trade is beyond unlikely

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Big difference between trading #16 this year, or a hopefully much worse 1st rounder next year with OV in the fold, and trading Tkachuk as the main piece. I can't imagine Washington not asking for Tkachuk +

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't really know if its draft picks that Washington would want. Frankly even if they traded Ovie, I can't see them going into a rebuild, its still a team with a lot of really good pieces. I think this is about a leadership change and a shift in culture.

I would expect that the Caps would want a good young player that's already NHL established as a star, plus a high end prospect or two.

So, and I clearly wouldn't do this, a Monahan, MT and Fox type of package. for Ovie and a add on of some type.

I however don't think that juice is worth the squeeze, but it would certainly leave Vegas out.

I just don't think some people get the value of taking salary, giving youth, and giving cost certainty in today's NHL.

There is just no way that we even do Monahan for OV, never mind MT and Fox.

I understand you weren't advocating it, but the value level is just so wrong...

Making these big player trades in today's NHL is really hard if you aren't looking at a Weber/Subban or Jones/Johansen kind of deal.


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[dammage79]

Of course the Flames should get Ovechkin. But that's a pie in the sky dream. 1st off, the entire idea of trading Ovechkin has been a media driven speculation. And why not? He's simply not going to make a final as long as the Pens exist in the east. Easy to see why the media would spin this one up. 2ND: The Flames simply don't have the ammunition to pull off that kind of trade assuming that any of the core foundation players are not moving. You can list any of the top 4 forwards and at least fifty percent of the fan base would squirm.
3rd: The caps can't trade Ovechkin for his full value because of his cap hit. He's a lifer in Washington solely based on Marketability. Having said that, Subban should have been unmovable as well with his community ties.

Would it be amazing to have Ovechkin on the Flames? Oh hell yes. And I'd call out anyone who wouldn't want Ovechkin anchoring that top line RW slot. But there's just no way it happens.

[CroFlames]

The Caps traded their first, so they'd be looking for a first if this (very unlikely) trade was to ever happen.

I would be happy to put together a package for Ovi that included a 1st, a roster player and a prospect.

I bet whoever lands him (again, unlikely he moves) becomes an instant contender, and he has a renaissance season with the change in scenery and less pressure to lead his team to a Cup or bust.

I would be down right giddy if the Flames acquired him. That would be a monster first line (if one of Johnny or Ovi could switch to RW)

[OmegaV4]

[Vinny01]

The Caps are not getting back a player like Tkachuk in an Ovie deal not even close.

I see this being more of a Phaneuf or Bash deal where the Caps get depth and picks but they will not get a stud blue chip youngster.

Realistically what team that would be in the running for Ovie trade one of their future building blocks? That is why this is such a tough trade to make. Columbus got Amisnov, Dubinsky, 1st, Erixon for Nash. I think that is a similar type return the Caps can expect for Ovie. 1-2 good but not great roster players, an organizations top 5 prospect, and a first.

While i don't think Brouwer, Fox, 1st is enough I think it is closer than a deal centered around Tkachuk would be

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheFlamesVan

You'd rather have a one dimensional winger than a Centreman AND winger who can play all rolls and match up against most lines?

This is how you put fans in the stands in the states. Not how you win championships.

Ovi has certainly done a lot more winning than the Flames have in recent years

you also don't win a championship with Ferland or Chaisson as top line RWers


I wouldn't trade core players for him but the salary is not a huge concern...We just paid Stajan, Brouwer, Bouma, Wideman, over 15M

[Bunk]

I'd do a deal for Ovechkin in a heartbeat of one was out there. But I think it's extremely unlikely.

Call it:

Ovechkin-Monahan-Gaudreau
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Versteeg-Jankowski-Ferland
Stajan-Hathaway-Lazar

Bennett + Brouwer + 1st + Prospect

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Itse

Obviously a great player, but I don't see how we could fit him under the salary cap, so seems like a moo point to me.

[CroFlames]

It would be funny if the Flames acquired him and then met Pittsburgh in the SCF lol. Ovi would be like come the #### on!!