03-08-2017, 01:18 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
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The way I justify this piece of Calgary Flames history is that we were probably robbed of a goal but not necessarily the Cup.
I have had countless conversations with friends over being robbed of the Cup when in reality all the Gelinas goal would have been was the go ahead goal with ample time left for Tampa to potentially tie it back up. It takes more of the sting out of the whole thing to be honest because there is no certainty the goal would have been the final score.
Don't worry CP, we will get there eventually and it may be sooner than some think!
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03-08-2017, 01:50 AM
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#42
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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03-08-2017, 02:28 AM
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#43
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rocky Mt House
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wow is that 3D rendering ever a joke.
Obviously drawing the puck in higher than in the video
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03-08-2017, 02:39 AM
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#44
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Haifa, Israel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey
He wasn't actually, but we didn't go on to win the cup anyways like you guys did in 89. Also I'm pretty sure that was in.
Forgive me for not remembering, but was it in OT or late in a game when he scored?
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Bure was not offside but it does look like two line pass.
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03-08-2017, 07:38 AM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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Man I'd hate to see what happened if you guys were absolutely, conclusively robbed of a cup...
no goal
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03-08-2017, 07:50 AM
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#46
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cranbrook
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Man I'd hate to see what happened if you guys were absolutely, conclusively robbed of a cup...
no goal
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03-08-2017, 08:21 AM
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#47
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Not Abu Dhabi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Man I'd hate to see what happened if you guys were absolutely, conclusively robbed of a cup...
no goal
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The Hull goal gave the Stars the Cup, sure, but it did not necessarily rob the Sabres of it.
Just like the would-be Gelinas goal wouldn't have given the Flames the Cup. Just a better chance at it.
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03-08-2017, 08:25 AM
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#48
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JD
The Hull goal gave the Stars the Cup, sure, but it did not necessarily rob the Sabres of it.
Just like the would-be Gelinas goal wouldn't have given the Flames the Cup. Just a better chance at it.
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More than a better chance. There was what, 4 minutes left in the game?
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03-08-2017, 08:29 AM
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#49
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
Hurry up faceoff is all I remember... seeing Darryl pointing to go upstairs and then seeing play resume almost in rapid motion.. I think 46 seconds from the time Gelinas shot, to the whistle, to the faceoff and I remember going like 'wtf??'
Was shocked then, still shocked now, put a friggen asterisk beside it Tampa.
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Nobody on the ice thought that puck was in. Not one player pointed to the officials. Nobody on the bench. You can invent conspiracy theories about "hurry up faceoffs" all you like, nobody had a clue until two or three minutes later when ABC found that replay. In arena though? Nobody knew until we got home and saw the highlights.
It sucks, because that puck was in, but no replay was asked for so there was no reason for the officials to check. It is just disappointing. What I am still bitter about in that series was Kerry Fraser taking only Commodore to the box when he was scrumming it up with a Lightning player after a whistle when Fraser knew we were already getting a penalty. He made a conscious decision to put us down 5 on 3 instead of 5 on 4, and it directly lost us a game.
THAT is the play I am still bitter about from that series. And that was a moment that everyone in arena knew right away we got screwed. It was also why Fraser never returned to Calgary to officiate a game until some time in 2007.
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03-08-2017, 08:34 AM
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#50
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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What was his actual quote on the subject? TSN says 'he noted the Calgary Flames apparent go-ahead goal in 2004', but they don't actually provide us a quote. What did he say?
TSN stirring the pot, it seems.
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03-08-2017, 08:39 AM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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That 3D vid always annoyed me. They set the puck way higher in the air than it actually was. They basically just raised it high enough to show that, thus raised, it looks in from that camera angle but isn't. Well sure, except it wasn't that high so who the #### cares?
If you look at the very first video that AC posts (with Gelinas in front) and slow it down, you can see that the puck goes up into the air off his skate and then starts dropping in the last foot or so before it hits the pad. By the time it hits the pad it is very nearly back on the ice. (You can also tell this by the fact that the rebound comes out basically low and flat. If the puck hits his pad a couple inches in the air, it would have fluttered.)
When you look at the video where the guy recreates the camera angle, he has it at the right height - less than one inch off the ground. And at that height, it's clearly in.
The combination of the vid with Gelinas in front, plus the last vid, make it pretty damn conclusive.
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03-08-2017, 08:44 AM
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#52
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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F$%# !!!
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03-08-2017, 08:51 AM
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#53
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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I hate this lol old wound that will never heal
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03-08-2017, 08:52 AM
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#54
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Man I'd hate to see what happened if you guys were absolutely, conclusively robbed of a cup...
no goal
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What? Hull scored in Game 6. The Stars were up 3-2 in the series. Even if the goal doesn't count, and assuming everything is equal, the Stars still have a 50% chance to win it that game, and a 50% chance to win it if they failed to do so in Game 6. 25% chance the Sabres win the Cup...
The Flames had a better than 25% chance of winning the Cup if Gelina's counted, that's for sure.
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03-08-2017, 08:53 AM
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#55
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Ffuuuuuu
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03-08-2017, 08:59 AM
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#56
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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I don't actually believe the puck was in in 2004. It just bugs the hell out of me though that they didn't do a proper review at the 1st stoppage in play that followed.
Bennett's goal against the Ducks was 100% in. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.
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03-08-2017, 09:07 AM
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#57
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fonz
I don't actually believe the puck was in in 2004. It just bugs the hell out of me though that they didn't do a proper review at the 1st stoppage in play that followed.
Bennett's goal against the Ducks was 100% in. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.
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Question for everyone;
Pretend the 2004SCF/Gelinas goal controversy never happened. The fans, and the NHL, have no recollection of this. Ron McLean doesn't hold a "was it in?" vote at the NHL awards ceremony.
Does the NHL still call Bennett's goal, 10 years later, as "no goal"?
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03-08-2017, 09:28 AM
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#58
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Nobody on the ice thought that puck was in. Not one player pointed to the officials. Nobody on the bench. You can invent conspiracy theories about "hurry up faceoffs" all you like, nobody had a clue until two or three minutes later when ABC found that replay. In arena though? Nobody knew until we got home and saw the highlights.
It sucks, because that puck was in, but no replay was asked for so there was no reason for the officials to check. It is just disappointing. What I am still bitter about in that series was Kerry Fraser taking only Commodore to the box when he was scrumming it up with a Lightning player after a whistle when Fraser knew we were already getting a penalty. He made a conscious decision to put us down 5 on 3 instead of 5 on 4, and it directly lost us a game.
THAT is the play I am still bitter about from that series. And that was a moment that everyone in arena knew right away we got screwed. It was also why Fraser never returned to Calgary to officiate a game until some time in 2007.
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Or in OT when Simon had the puck, went to skate it out of the zone and gets tripped by a Tampa player (don't recall who it was) who went belly first and stuck his legs in the way of Simon. That resulted in Tampa getting the puck back and scoring in Game 6 in OT. No call there for the trip.
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03-08-2017, 09:53 AM
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#59
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fonz
I don't actually believe the puck was in in 2004. It just bugs the hell out of me though that they didn't do a proper review at the 1st stoppage in play that followed.
Bennett's goal against the Ducks was 100% in. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.
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The review that never happened is the biggest sticking point to many, but it was in lol .
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03-08-2017, 09:56 AM
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#60
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fonz
I don't actually believe the puck was in in 2004. It just bugs the hell out of me though that they didn't do a proper review at the 1st stoppage in play that followed.
Bennett's goal against the Ducks was 100% in. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.
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As soon as the puck is dropped for the ensuing faceoff, you can't go back to review. The question of in or out was mooted as soon as play resumed.
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