Rank the Canadian teams

[Phaneuf_Phan]

I'm having trouble with my top 6 - here's what I have so far:

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. Edmonton

[FBI]

Get the blowtorch out!

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Please don't flame me, I'm trying to be really objective about this. Superstars put certain teams at the top of this list.

Montreal
Edmonton
Calgary
Ottawa

Toronto
Winnipeg



Vancouver

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Weitz

ranking the teams in games that end in regulation (5on5) in my mind gives the best rankings of team quality going into playoffs imo.

Montreal/Ottawa +5 over .500
Edmonton +2
Calgary -2

Winnipeg/Vancouver/Toronto round up the bottom.

Why? Is there no overtime in the playoffs?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why? Is there no overtime in the playoffs?

There's no 3 on 3.

[FireGilbert]

I'm not going to rank which teams are better because there is a thing called the standings that does this. I will however rank the Canadian teams from my favourite to least favourite.

1. Calgary
2. Montreal
3. Ottawa
4. Winnipeg
5. Toronto
6. Vancouver
7. Edmonton

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why? Is there no overtime in the playoffs?

There is but it's 5 on 5.

Your 3 on 3 or shootout record means nothing in the playoffs.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Weitz

ranking the teams in games that end in regulation (5on5) in my mind gives the best rankings of team quality going into playoffs imo.

Montreal/Ottawa +5 over .500
Edmonton +2
Calgary -2

Winnipeg/Vancouver/Toronto round up the bottom.

This is a pretty dumb way at looking at it.

Everyone knows the Flames are a better team than they were at the beginning of the season. The ranking is of the current state of the teams not a year long ranking. Wideman gone alone makes us a better team.

If we were looking for an entire season ranking the standings would be the most accurate way of ranking teams.

Currently Calgary is the hottest team in the league and the hottest of any Canadian team. What happened in October and November means nothing. Why would we look at what happened 5 months ago when these teams are vastly different going into the playoffs?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

This is a pretty dumb way at looking at it.

Everyone knows the Flames are a better team than they were at the beginning of the season. The ranking is of the current state of the teams not a year long ranking. Wideman gone alone makes us a better team.

If we were looking for an entire season ranking the standings would be the most accurate way of ranking teams.

Currently Calgary is the hottest team in the league and the hottest of any Canadian team. What happened in October and November means nothing. Why would we look at what happened 5 months ago when these teams are vastly different going into the playoffs?

Regulation wins is a better predictor of playoff success then total points.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

This is a pretty dumb way at looking at it.

Everyone knows the Flames are a better team than they were at the beginning of the season. The ranking is of the current state of the teams not a year long ranking. Wideman gone alone makes us a better team.

If we were looking for an entire season ranking the standings would be the most accurate way of ranking teams.

Currently Calgary is the hottest team in the league and the hottest of any Canadian team. What happened in October and November means nothing. Why would we look at what happened 5 months ago when these teams are vastly different going into the playoffs?

Still can't win more games then they lose at 5 on 5. I just think the 5 on 5 record is the best indicator of team success for the playoffs

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GGG

Regulation wins is a better predictor of playoff success then total points.

Marginally, and that is only valid with a large enough sample size to make it relevant.

At the end of the day, teams are pretty even, and playoff success for close matchups comes down to a hot goalie and a hot PP as often as not.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Still can't win more games then they lose at 5 on 5. I just think the 5 on 5 record is the best indicator of team success for the playoffs

What about the success of teams that get to play tired teams on back to backs? Will that effect the oilers in the playoffs? LOL good luck with no back to backs in the playoffs.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Weitz

ranking the teams in games that end in regulation (5on5) in my mind gives the best rankings of team quality going into playoffs imo.

Montreal/Ottawa +5 over .500
Edmonton +2
Calgary -2

Winnipeg/Vancouver/Toronto round up the bottom.

This. Regular season OT and shootout though fun, are still a gimmick. This is a good measure of the best teams during the season IMO.

I'm surprised Flames still have a losing record in regulation. Would like to see that get to a positive number before the end of the year.

[jayswin]

Flames

[genetic_phreek]

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[genetic_phreek]

CSN Atlantic just updated their NHL power rankings.

Flames sit 7th overall and in terms of Canadian teams, they have it as follows:

Flames
Coilers
Sens
Habs
Jets
Leafs
Nucks

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washin...16-17#slide-31

[Calgary4LIfe]

Flames
Sens
Oilers
Habs
Jets
Leafs
Nucks

Calgary had a horrendous start, but in my mind that wasn't the Flames. It has been a large enough sample size to say that their record since Nov 15 is more of the team they are then the first 1.5 months of the season. Now, if they had a let-down of 1.5 months in the middle of the season, I don't think I would argue that it was just a part of their record and that is a part of who they are as a team. New coach and some other issues surrounding the team made them come out like a junior team. That seems all fixed, and this is who they are.

Sens are probably the next best team. Legit scorers up front. Legit defencemen. World-class goalie that often steals games. Sens are pretty deep. I am strangely starting to dislike them.

Edmonton is next. I don't like their depth, especially on defence. I really do think they are starting to wane somewhat, and that is a product of over-playing a couple of their players (I wonder if anyone could possibly guess wrong who they are). They are just too top-heavy for my liking.

Montreal - Price's team. Some really nice pieces like Patches and Weber. Decent depth. Just not really that great. Price still props them up too much.

Jets - lots of depth, lots of talent - they just keep stumbling over and over and over and over again. This team needs a shake-up. They really shouldn't be this bad, but here we are. If you have any answers as to why they are so bad, keep your mouth shut please. I prefer they suck.

Leafs - lots of loser points. On one hand, it is great that they manage to squeeze out points, but that is a lot of loser points. Most loser points in the NHL. Take a look at who the next leaders in this category are - Buffalo and NJ. Islanders and Florida round out the top 5 in this category - you see a good team among this list? They have a lot of really good young guys starting their NHL careers really well, but let's face it - they suck. It looks like they will be good, but they suck right now. They have terrible D overall that is being covered up by Babcock's system. No offence, but Toronto sucks. They will be good sooner rather than later, however, especially if they manage to find a few good defencemen.

Vancouver - well, Vancouver... is just terrible. Hat's off to them for keeping up in the playoff race for much longer than anyone gave them credit for, but they just need more talent on that team. Top 6 talent, and bottom 6 talent. They have a much better defensive core at a good young age that will see them through the worst of it, but they have to be the worst Canadian team at this point.

Edit:

Next season, there will be a surprise jump in the Canadian standings. What team? The Quebec Hurridiques. They may not have too much stamina off the ice (har har har), but I imagine they will finish off the season as the 4th or 5th best team. Lots of really good young players on that team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

CSN Atlantic just updated their NHL power rankings.

Flames sit 7th overall and in terms of Canadian teams, they have it as follows:

Flames
Coilers
Sens
Habs
Jets
Leafs
Nucks

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washin...16-17#slide-31

I would move the Habs in front of the Sens, and I might even slide them up to 2nd, but otherwise, I agree with this.

[Enoch Root]

also, how on earth do you rank Vancouver ahead of Florida?

[CaptainCrunch]

1) Calgary - Has been really hot since the all star break. The acquisitions on the blueline in stone and Bartkowski have been really solid as it solidifies the blueline. Stone especially has been a steal of an acquisition. from top to bottom this is a deep team and the scoring is spread out through the lineup. Elliot getting hot really solidified this team and the players have bought into GG's system.

2) Ottawa - They have a nice collection of forwards. I honestly don't think they're quite as deep as the Flames are in terms of being able to roll four lines. Burrows might be a good pickup for them as it never hurts to insert a jerk in the lineup. I'm not a huge fan of their blueline, after Ceci and Karlsson its shaky. Anderson is probably the X factor for this team

3) Montreal - I'm just not a huge fan of this team and its makeup, the firing of their previous coach and bringing on a new one should have given this team a bigger bounce. They went out at the deadline to get grittier, but I don't know if those moves are going to pan out. Their top side of the lineup at forward and defense is fairly strong, but after that its a bit of a mishmash. This team goes as far as Price can carry them though.

4) Edmonton - Lets be honest, this team has been pretty much trending water since the All-Star Break. This teams offense is being carried by Conner and Draisaitl, but after that its just a mass of inconsistency up front, which doesn't bode well for the playoffs. Their blueline is ok, but its not super deep and it really doesn't drive offense that well. Talbot is a primary reason why the Oilers are going to be playing in April. They are one of the least deep teams of the Canadian Franchises.

5) Toronto - Mainly because they have some really nice building bocks with Marner, Mathews and Nylander. The veterans are sinking this team though, and they have a bad blueline.

6) Winnipeg - A lot of things have really gone wrong for the Jets since the Hockey News put out a issue declaring them the best young team in hockey and a sure fire Cup Champion in a short time. This is a team without an identity and it feels like the coach has lost the message.

7) Vancouver - It looks like the ownership has finally decided to throw in the towel on this core and trigger a rebuild. They have a couple of nice pieces, but nothing that is all that intriguing or exciting. Their biggest asset is the one that they might not be able to move in the Sedins. Thanks though for that West Coast swing though.

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