Tkachuk for Calder musing on NHL.com

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

No love for Jesse Poolparty?

I'm very happy that the world juniors were played in Europe that year. If they were played on NA ice I think Tkachuk and Matthews almost double their production resulting in Tkachuk going higher. Obviously Tkachuk is much better suited for the NHL than Jesse, it's so blatantly obvious. One embraces the grind and is a supreme competitor, the other throws temper tantrums, and obviously is struggling with the speed and size of NHL players. Playing on European ice at the WJ is never seen as a detriment to North American players but it is.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by The 6 Flames

Nice little article with stats that definitely do paint a picture that Matty Tkachuk should be st least in the radar for Calder this year

https://www.nhl.com/news/behind-the-...?tid=278387726

Haha ya right. I have seen this movie before. No chance is anyone beating out the Leafs saviour, he could literally score 0 points the rest of the season and be -85. Does not matter. Tkachuk has been amazing and I still am so happy we got him at 6 overall.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tough to say. He looks better than Strome right now but I am sure the Leafs are happy with Marner and no way you take him over McDavid and Eichel. Perhaps he ends up better than Hanifin but that is just a ridiculously deep top 10. Provorov is an absolute beast as well

Maybe I'm crazy but I take him 3rd, maybe even second. How much will the kid produce in his prime ? 60+ points while playing 24+ minutes a night ? He is a offensive dynamo, and his defence is really good for his age. Kid has elite d potential all over him.

[kbvall]

I excuse in advance for my English. I have a question regarding the individual trophies. Why do we actually care that much? I mean trophies in general, I'm not talking about Tkachuk for Calder.
Last season NHL fans in Sweden went berserk about the Doughty vs Karlsson. For what good? I don't think less of Karlsson because he lost.
Most of the nomination have the same discussion year after year; Bergeron or Kopitar for Selke? Can you win Hart or Norris if your team doesn't reach the Playoffs? Do the voters watch western teams? What is the definition of MVP? How is it possible that it is the GMs that decide who will win the Vezina?
My point is that (for me) it doesn't matter who wins the awards. The only thing that matters is how the team performs. I will enjoy every game Tkachuk play for the Flames regardless if he wins the Calder or not. Most likely a Calder winner can demand a bigger salary when that day comes, no?
Would like to hear what you guys have to say about this. Explain the hype for a Swedish Flame


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[Locke]

I wouldnt call it a snub, he lost the Calder to a very, very good player.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He lost to Ekblad, a real stud defenceman who was only 18-19, playing a tough position and who will be a Norris winner eventually IMO. He also IIRC finished after Stone who tied him in points and had more goals (but quite a bit more NHL experience).

You can debate the choice all you want but it wasn't a snub.

It was a snub, Johnny was the most electric and consistent rookie that year. Forsberg fizzled out down the stretch and Ekblad as good as he was didnt have the consistency of Johnny. He played in the west. That is the reason why he lost. I am sure you are someone who can tell me how Jose Theodore was in 2002 . . . . . and that Jarome did not get snubbed either.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He lost to Ekblad, a real stud defenceman who was only 18-19, playing a tough position and who will be a Norris winner eventually IMO. He also IIRC finished after Stone who tied him in points and had more goals (but quite a bit more NHL experience).

You can debate the choice all you want but it wasn't a snub.

The only reason Elblad won was he was 18, Johnny was obviously better as a rookie, people also forget that Stone got 2nd place as well which was laughable. Don't really care, I wouldn't trade Johnny for Ekblad or Stone

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

It was a snub, Johnny was the most electric and consistent rookie that year. Forsberg fizzled out down the stretch and Ekblad as good as he was didnt have the consistency of Johnny. He played in the west. That is the reason why he lost. I am sure you are someone who can tell me how Jose Theodore was in 2002 . . . . . and that Jarome did not get snubbed either.

Jarome was robbed. Losing to Ekblad wasn't a snub - it was a choice between three really good candidates. IDK why you are mentioning Forsberg.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Beninho

The only reason Elblad won was he was 18, Johnny was obviously better as a rookie, people also forget that Stone got 2nd place as well which was laughable. Don't really care, I wouldn't trade Johnny for Ekblad or Stone

I like Gaudreau as much as anyone but straight up for Ekblad - I'd have to think long and hard.

[CroFlames]

If Laine misses considerable time, Tkachuk could be runner up.

But it's Mathews' to lose.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

If Laine misses considerable time, Tkachuk could be runner up.

But it's Mathews' to lose.

I guess we need to injure Matthews on January 23.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Rob Vollman is Calgary-based.

Well that makes sense and explains it then - thanks

Originally Posted by kbvall

I excuse in advance for my English. I have a question regarding the individual trophies. Why do we actually care that much? I mean trophies in general, I'm not talking about Tkachuk for Calder.
Last season NHL fans in Sweden went berserk about the Doughty vs Karlsson. For what good? I don't think less of Karlsson because he lost.
Most of the nomination have the same discussion year after year; Bergeron or Kopitar for Selke? Can you win Hart or Norris if your team doesn't reach the Playoffs? Do the voters watch western teams? What is the definition of MVP? How is it possible that it is the GMs that decide who will win the Vezina?
My point is that (for me) it doesn't matter who wins the awards. The only thing that matters is how the team performs. I will enjoy every game Tkachuk play for the Flames regardless if he wins the Calder or not. Most likely a Calder winner can demand a bigger salary when that day comes, no?
Would like to hear what you guys have to say about this. Explain the hype for a Swedish Flame


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You are dead on (exactly right).

The awards are something to talk about, but why people get bet out of shape is beyond me. And yes, winning as a team is all that matters - and none of the rookies are helping their team win any more than Tkachuk is.

[Jason14h]

Murray missed the beginning of the season . That is why Fleury has more games

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I like Gaudreau as much as anyone but straight up for Ekblad - I'd have to think long and hard.

These Johnson jokes have to stop.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

These Johnson jokes have to stop.

If they continue for longer than four hours, see a doctor.

[FlameZilla]

He looks like a vet out there. He's on our defacto #1 line and he's scoring game-winning goals.

I don't care if he wins the Calder, I'm just glad he's on the team.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

He looks like a vet out there. He's on our defacto #1 line and he's scoring game-winning goals.

I don't care if he wins the Calder, I'm just glad he's on the team.

That's good too, because he doesn't stand a chance unless he is leading in points when the season ends. Even if its close its going east.

[codynw]

The Calder went to Auston Matthews the second he was drafted by Toronto.

[Dion]

He's developing a reputation of being an ####### on the ice. He's our ####### and I love it!

[Stay Golden]

Tkachuk will Finnish 3rd or 4th in the voting is my guess. Regardless Flames fans are glad he slipped past the Oilers onto our team.