Jane Fonda in Fort McMurray

[Sylvanfan]

Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

I'm a pretty left-leaning fella, I like moving to renewables, but I think this ship has sailed...We get it, you don't like the Oilsands. Move on.

Oil will never go away, at least not in our lifetimes. The best we can do is produce responsibly and keep introducing renewables.

Jane: Focus on the orange terror you've got in your own backyard and his nonsensical idea that coal should rise again.

I think that the environmental issue is secondary to Alberta...I'm much more concerned about disruptive technology platforms.

I'm a capitalist and I believe that the electrification of the transportation system is going to happen sooner than we think...since transportation fuel is where 50% of oil goes (oversimplification) we might find that it's Tesla et al that is the biggest threat the the current business model of Alberta..not renewable energy technologies or flakey celebrities.

Its as simple as the current business model of Alberta largely depends upon the internal combustion engine...if vehicle showrooms start filling up with electric vehicles Alberta is in a heap of trouble without strategic government policy and industrial leadership.

And when the Germans outlaw internal combustion engine vehicle sales by 2030 (13 years) that makes me concerned...they don't make haphazard economic policy and would not put such a policy in place unless they knew that their supply chain would be able to meet the demand.

[Ozy_Flame]

It's almost like we should do something different than just dig for oil within the next 10 years.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's almost like we should do something different than just dig for oil within the next 10 years.

Believe me the Government has been trying...but there is a lot of inertia and the energy sector kind of sucks the oxygen out of the room for alternate economic development strategies.

[Violator]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

I think that the environmental issue is secondary to Alberta...I'm much more concerned about disruptive technology platforms.

I'm a capitalist and I believe that the electrification of the transportation system is going to happen sooner than we think...since transportation fuel is where 50% of oil goes (oversimplification) we might find that it's Tesla et al that is the biggest threat the the current business model of Alberta..not renewable energy technologies or flakey celebrities.

Its as simple as the current business model of Alberta largely depends upon the internal combustion engine...if vehicle showrooms start filling up with electric vehicles Alberta is in a heap of trouble without strategic government policy and industrial leadership.

And when the Germans outlaw internal combustion engine vehicle sales by 2030 (13 years) that makes me concerned...they don't make haphazard economic policy and would not put such a policy in place unless they knew that their supply chain would be able to meet the demand.

I feel the German issue has to do with more or less the stability and availability of fossil fuels more than anything.when someone threatens you into a corner you take your beating and then find out a solution.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by Violator

I feel the German issue has to do with more or less the stability and availability of fossil fuels more than anything.when someone threatens you into a corner you take your beating and then find out a solution.

Perhaps, but at the end of the day if the vehicles our kids drive are electric Alberta is in a heap of trouble with its current economic structure.

*grumble* the PC's stopping the funding to the Heritage Fund might be the biggest f'up for our future. *grumble*

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's almost like we should do something different than just dig for oil within the next 10 years.

So easy for people to say, yet they never seem to provide a real solution.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

*grumble* the PC's stopping the funding to the Heritage Fund might be the biggest f'up for our future. *grumble*

No the ndp spending what was already there was worse.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

So easy for people to say, yet they never seem to provide a real solution.

That's because it's more fun and satisfying in this province to blame everything on governments, lefties, Ottawa, creeps and bums from the East, lazy hipsters, and environmentalists.

No one can really suggest a real solution. You can't plan an economy, it just has to grow naturally.

That being said, I have no doubt that information technology, logistics and shipping, construction, education, agriculture technology, energy research, film, and tourism will be the industries going forward in this province. There are so many bright young minds in Alberta ready to contribute with new businesses and they just need time to grow and an environment to compete.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's almost like we should do something different than just dig for oil within the next 10 years.

Why? Oil & gas is our commodity. Hydro power isn't a reality for prairie provinces so where's the electricity going to come from to power up all these electric cars? It's really easy for people like you to say we do something different when you aren't the one tasked with making chicken salad out of chicken ####. I'm all for hearing your solutions.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

And when the Germans outlaw internal combustion engine vehicle sales by 2030 (13 years) that makes me concerned...they don't make haphazard economic policy and would not put such a policy in place unless they knew that their supply chain would be able to meet the demand.

Well we haphazardly outlawed coal plants sooner than originally planned with no increase in the supply chain to meet that demand.
Vancouver haphazardly outlawed natural gas with no plans to replace it.

I don't know if I'd assume that just because a government makes a broad sweeping ban they have a plan in place.

[Fuzz]

Germany doesn't really have a good electricity plan, either. They foolhardily plan to close their nuclear in 2022 which will force them to burn a lot more coal. They have added a huge amount of solar and wind, but that doesn't fix the baseload problem. I'm not sure they actually have a long term plan for that.

[PepsiFree]

Kudos to Notley, credit where credit is due (though I know the Notley die-hard haters will still get a shot in)

"I would suggest if someone was going to come to Alberta ... [and] fly over a city that is going through a significant economic downturn, that's just been through the largest natural disaster in the history of Canada, and then lecture them about where they should get jobs elsewhere, first of all, that's super tone deaf," Notley said.

"But secondly, I would suggest that dining out on your celebrity is something that one ought to also pair with knowledge and research. She failed to do that."

Notley said Fonda's visit earned more media attention than it deserved, given the fact the Oscar-winning actress and long-time activist made it "very clear she did not know what she was talking about."

http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3930806

[Weitz]

I wish the media wouldn't cover Celebrity visits. Just seems like a waste. Especially when it is blatantly obvious she is being paid by Greenpeace to come visit.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

No the ndp spending what was already there was worse.

Getty flat lining the Heritage Fund in the late 80s was worse, nothing comes close.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Kudos to Notley, credit where credit is due (though I know the Notley die-hard haters will still get a shot in)



http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3930806

I give her credit for that statement, probably the other way to go is who is Jane Fonda and I was surprised to learn she's still alive.

Its not worth it though to get in a pissing match with these "Celebrities" we all know they're hypocrites looking for camera shots, like hookers when the navy comes into town. And yes, I am saying that people like Jane and Leo, and Darryl Hannah are whores and are doing this to stay relevant by protesting something that they actually don't care all that much about.

This is all PR, look at me, I'm concerned about global warming. Well hows that super boat Leo, how are those private jets, and 40 room mansions that burn the souls of orphans?

I don't see these people storming the Oil fields in California that are far worse then the Oil Sands. I don't see them chaining themselves to the factories in China and talking about how this visit felt like their skin was being ripped off or whatever.

Look protesting is great, its enshrined in our rights, and without it we end up with 20 more years in Vietnam, Black people still drinking from separate fountains and woman being forced to stay at home and make Samwiches (Wait a minute). But these people are an embarrassment to the whole protest motion because it seems like they're agents are saying "Jane you know what would be awesome for your image? A good protest, lets see whats hot now. Oh yeah Global Warming, I'll rent a helicopter and write you some 9x5 cue cards about what to say to the press"

[chemgear]

SOCIAL LICENSE!!! SOCIAL LICENSE!!!

Come on, we all knew it was a load of #### from Notley. Regardless of what Fonda, it's pretty clear the concept (and the price Alberta will pay for the "license") isn't worth a dime. Or a penny.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/na...701/story.html

To a reporter’s question of whether Alberta has social licence to continue developing oil because the government has drafted legislation to dis-incentivize its own carbon emissions, Fonda replied “that’s ridiculous.”

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm pretty sure Leo is going to remain relevant regardless of what his political views are.

As for Notley, this was an absolute underhand softball, but you have to hit the pitches they throw you, and she sent this one to the parking lot. Exactly the right tone for that response.

[Ozy_Flame]

Not that I agree with social license either, but I'd be curious to know if an 80-year old Hollywood diva who is known as much for her plastic surgery escapades as her film career really knows what social license is in this particular context.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not that I agree with social license either, but I'd be curious to know if an 80-year old Hollywood diva who is known as much for her plastic surgery escapades as her film career really knows what social license is in this particular context.

Its silly to think "social license" was actually a thing. People who are anti-oil development don't care about a carbon tax in the sense that its used to justify expansion.

Social license was a buzz word used by politicians to not take flack when the pipelines got approved. Because they knew they would.