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Old 01-10-2017, 01:48 PM   #41
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To be fair, winter tires in the early 80's late 70's were those old knobby truck like tires. Quite often bias ply as well. So pretty much useless.
All season radials were a god send.
I had a set of those for my first car. Like you said, pretty much useless.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:05 PM   #43
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I've driven 30+ years without winter tires with many of them being before winters were invented. You learned quickly how to drive for the conditions and moreso how your vehicle handles on snow and ice. Defensive driving and being aware of how other drivers are driving around you helped me to avoid any accidents.

I drive an SUV and know that doesn't mean I get better traction or stopping distances. I know enough that when the roads or highways are really bad to not drive.
Thank you for being the guy who goes 40 in the left lane on deerfoot in his big suburban just because your car can't go as fast as mine in confidence with winter tires on. Everyone on deerfoot appreciates your mentality!
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He said when the roads are bad he "doesn't" drive.
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I wish you'd think of the rest of us before you took your ill equipped vehicle on the highway all winter.
These are the tires on my vehicle right now

Michelin LTX MS2

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Thank you for being the guy who goes 40 in the left lane on deerfoot in his big suburban just because your car can't go as fast as mine in confidence with winter tires on. Everyone on deerfoot appreciates your mentality!
You do know what they say about assumptions?

When the roads are crappy and drivers are sliding into the ditiches both on the Deerfoot and the highway I don't drive.
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These are the tires on my vehicle right now

Michelin LTX MS2

You realize the effect of temperature on various rubber compounds right?

You also realize how siping works to give traction on ice?

I'm guessing the answers are "no" or else you'd own a set. Blocky treads will help a little on deep snow, and that's where it ends.

Winter tires are important to have even on dry pavement in cold conditions.
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Man some of you guys should be on the commercials.
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:55 PM   #49
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Man some of you guys should be on the commercials.
And some of you guys should be in an introductory physics classroom.
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You realize the effect of temperature on various rubber compounds right?

You also realize how siping works to give traction on ice?

I'm guessing the answers are "no" or else you'd own a set. Blocky treads will help a little on deep snow, and that's where it ends.

Winter tires are important to have even on dry pavement in cold conditions.
If you think the answers are "no" then why did you take the time to make that post? Better yet, do you even want my answer?
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Thank you for being the guy who goes 40 in the left lane on deerfoot in his big suburban just because your car can't go as fast as mine in confidence with winter tires on. Everyone on deerfoot appreciates your mentality!
You must be the guy pressing the speed limit on his ice tires who most likely doesn't really know how to handle his car but his X-ice tires make him feel like Andretti in the winter so he's gonna road rage at people driving a respectable 10-20 under in icy conditions.

And end up in the ditch at some point and blame everyone but himself.

This debate is the same every time. The way some guys act you'd think there should be jail sentences for not driving on blizzaks. I often wonder how many of these same people could handle a car without ABS, Traction Control, etc.

I love ice tires but will always be pro choice. I've had both, drove on several different ice tires and I know how to handle my vehicles. If someone drives with respect to limitations of their tires there is nothing wrong with all seasons.
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And some of you guys should be in an introductory physics classroom.
Lets be fair for the majority of Calgary winters all-seasons are more than sufficient (Most drivers need more than sufficient) but on years like this with the low temperatures they just don't cut it.

I'm not pro winter tires because I've never had an issue and I have had winter tires on company vehicles but I wouldn't be against mandatory winter tires so traffic can flow properly on days like this.
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Is it just my imagination or are the city street crews using a different mix on our roads this year? It's been over a week since we got that heavy dump and still some of our main roads and bridge decks are icy!
I would have thought that given enough salt, our roads would be dry and white from the salt by now?
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I'm no chemist but couldn't it be the sustained low temperatures we've been having? I mean salt or whatever mixture they use can only lower the melting temperature of snow/ice so much.
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Is it just my imagination or are the city street crews using a different mix on our roads this year? It's been over a week since we got that heavy dump and still some of our main roads and bridge decks are icy!
I would have thought that given enough salt, our roads would be dry and white from the salt by now?
The colder it gets the less effect the salt has on melting ice.
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Here's something I bet you didn't know about the radial tire.
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The steel wires in radial tires become magnetic with use, so as they rotate, an alternating magnetic field is created. It is quite measurable with an EMF meter close to the wheel well when the wheel is rotating and is rich in harmonics up to several hundred hertz
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I'm no chemist but couldn't it be the sustained low temperatures we've been having? I mean salt or whatever mixture they use can only lower the melting temperature of snow/ice so much.
You might be right, however, when i spread salt on my sidewalk and driveway at -20C, it melts in a few hours.
I think the City has cut down on salt for some reason.
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You might be right, however, when i spread salt on my sidewalk and driveway at -20C, it melts in a few hours.
I think the City has cut down on salt for some reason.
They don't use much salt these days, mostly gravel and a calcium chloride anti-icing solution
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The less salt they use the better.
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The less salt they use the better.
Yeah it's good at melting at ice and bad for basically everything else.
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