What happens when QEII dies?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by fleury

I have to ask the question, because it's really been on my mind since I was born, but what the **** do we revere these people and what do they really do for humanities benefits overall? With the millions in riches they have, you'd think they'd benefit humanity in some way given they're simply figureheads, but I really see them as useless ####s. I don't get this allure of adoring anyone who is famous just because of their bloodlines.

Clearly a thought held by someone with impure and degenerate bloodlines.

I'll be awaiting your genetic tests and if they're subpar...oooh...thats a paddlin!

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Locke

Clearly a thought held by someone with impure and degenerate bloodlines.



I'll be awaiting your genetic tests and if they're subpar...oooh...thats a paddlin!

Giv'n out paddlin's. That's a paddlin'.

[Magnum PEI]

The whole system is effed so there's no point getting rid of the royals until bigger issues are addressed.
Which really oisses me off because I hate them and wish they'd go away on their own. It's like having swastikas and Hitler's descendants on everythung related to the government.
At least we changed the flag.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Charles gets a new name. Then it's King George VII or whatever for awhile until he kicks the bucket. He likely wouldn't be King Charles III because apparently the old King Charles' had a bad reputation.

Charles the first didn't have a bad reputation, he lost the civil war but that was a minor hiccup. Now his dad James, he liked the company of young men, I mean he really liked the company of very young men.

Charles will be Charles the third

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The thing about the monarchy is it doesn't matter enough to get rid of it. In the UK it brings in a fair amount of tourism revenue and a sense of continuity in the head of state. It costs Canada nothing really. So what's the argument for going through a national debate and making changes to the constitution? What's the upside?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/stephen..._12155954.html

Canada

The grand total that we estimate (excluding the cost of hosting), is $50.5 million per year. That works out to $1.44 Canadian per capita. That could be down from the $1.85 the Monarchist League of Canada estimated in 2012, but we're assuming they added all of the one offs we get per year -- like the $7.5 million we pitched in for the Queen's Birthday Jubilee. Yeah, $7.5 million -- and you probably thought that free coffee Starbucks gives you is lavish

That's not nothing.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/stephen..._12155954.html

Canada


That's not nothing.

The trouble with this argument, and trust me I'm no monarchist, is the state houses would still need to be maintained, so the Governor Generals pad, the state dinners that the Governor General gives would still have to be given, most of what the 'Queen' costs Canada are costs that we would pay anyway even if there was no Queen, they're just the costs of diplomatic visits to Canada for other heads of state and the like. If we didn't have a Queen it wouldn't mean you could put Trump up in a Best Western and take him to Harveys for a burger if he comes up here.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

The whole system is effed so there's no point getting rid of the royals until bigger issues are addressed.
Which really pisses me off because I hate them and wish they'd go away on their own. It's like having swastikas and Hitler's descendants on everything related to the government.
At least we changed the flag.

A tad overdramatic, I think. While imperialism is a thing of the past (except for the United States...) and outdated the Royal family didn't undertake state sponsored genocide. Comparing them to Hitler is a ridiculous comparison and sounds like a Hail Mary from anti-monarchists.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

The whole system is effed so there's no point getting rid of the royals until bigger issues are addressed.
Which really oisses me off because I hate them and wish they'd go away on their own. It's like having swastikas and Hitler's descendants on everythung related to the government.
At least we changed the flag.

And we have our first Godwin. Happy New Year!

[Resolute 14]

The monarchy is what it is: a quaint tradition and historical tie. The only real impact it has on our day to day lives is whose picture appears on the reverse of our coins. That's it.

As far as when Lizzie dies, what will happen (here, at any rate) is flags will be lowered to half mast, TV specials will air and the Royal Canadian Mint will change the dies to their coin printing presses.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The monarchy is what it is: a quaint tradition and historical tie. The only real impact it has on our day to day lives is whose picture appears on the reverse of our coins. That's it.

As far as when Lizzie dies, what will happen (here, at any rate) is flags will be lowered to half mast, TV specials will air and the Royal Canadian Mint will change the dies to their coin printing presses.

Well and according to tradition and that article, a holiday. If that could be a Friday or Monday in June that would be kind of nice!

[Fuzz]

Well, the Monarch is still our ultimate head of state, and a check on a dictator taking over Canada. The power of the Monarch would only ever be exercised under extreme circumstances, but it is a little comforting to have it there.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Reaper

A tad overdramatic, I think. While imperialism is a thing of the past (except for the United States...) and outdated the Royal family didn't undertake state sponsored genocide. Comparing them to Hitler is a ridiculous comparison and sounds like a Hail Mary from anti-monarchists.

Colonialism in the Americas, Africa and South Asia amounted to state sponsored genocide in many cases.

The British actually invented the types of concentration camps during the Boer War that the Nazis were inspired by and used. A war that Canada fought for king and country for.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/stephen..._12155954.html

Canada


That's not nothing.

Presumably, Canada would still have a head of state if we ditched the British monarchy. Hard to believe it would cost less than $50 mil a year. And getting from here to there would not be cheap. How much does a national referendum cost? What about the opportunity cost of months or years of parliamentary and constitutional wrangling?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I've previously read that the Royals have a tremendous charitable foundation or whatever and it does a lot around the world.

But generally speaking, yeah, they are the OG Kardashians. Famous people that regular people worship for no other reason than they're rich and famous. And when you think about it, Kim/Kanye, JayZ/Beyonce etc, those type of people see we now worship celebrities the way the Royals were/are worshiped and I genuinely think a lot of them plan their empires around the idea of their children someday being some perverted future version of royalty.

i.e. will smith and his kids.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Presumably, Canada would still have a head of state if we ditched the British monarchy. Hard to believe it would cost less than $50 mil a year. And getting from here to there would not be cheap. How much does a national referendum cost? What about the opportunity cost of months or years of parliamentary and constitutional wrangling?

Just have a referendum during the next election. For a few years, we were having elections like they were going out of style. Which again, is due to the terrible form of Constitutional Monarchy the government is shaped by.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well and according to tradition and that article, a holiday. If that could be a Friday or Monday in June that would be kind of nice!

Did you really just wish for someone to die so you could have a day off?



Though yes, it does make perfect sense that the death of the Queen of Canada would result in a public day of mourning... paid!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Just have a referendum during the next election. For a few years, we were having elections like they were going out of style. Which again, is due to the terrible for of Constitutional Monarchy the government is shaped by.

It's not that simple, alas. Dumping the monarchy would require a constitutional amendment and a significant overhaul of our entire institution of government. The cost in both time and money just isn't worth it absent a legitimate need to undertake such an endeavour.

[pseudoreality]

I know I'll get roasted on here for saying this, but I'd rather have a First Nations Chief as our Head of State over the Queen of England. When the Queen travels no one things of her as Canada's Head of State representing Canada.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Did you really just wish for someone to die so you could have a day off?



Though yes, it does make perfect sense that the death of the Queen of Canada would result in a public day of mourning... paid!

Well I guess I more wished for her to die in a certain month,seeing as her death is inevitable. At least that's how I made myself feel better about it!

[Ducay]

It'd cost us far more to hold a referrendum, do all the campaigning, restructure into a Republic, rewrite all our legislation, reprint EVERYTHING (money, books, gov't docs, school cirriculums, etc), and then do it again for everything at a provincial level, than the $1.20 or whatever a year it costs to keep the Monarchy and host the royal family every year or so.