If the Flames are still in contention at the Trade Deadline...

[FlameZilla]

I don't think the Flames will be exclusively buyers or sellers at the deadline. If there's an opportunity to improve the longterm outlook for the franchise you know Treliving will take it. If there is a very cheap rental which improves the team enough to make a final push for the playoffs then you know BT will do the same. I don't think we'll be in a position to take a definitive posture either way.

[Flames1848]

Get Iggy. Point.

[flamesforcup]

Oduya is a guy i would target. Wont have to protect and is a good second pair guy. We could maybe even re-sign him if he's a good fit

[VilleN]

How has the idea of trading Brodie for Kadri not been laughed and ridiculed out of this thread?? I personally think that Brodie is better than Adam Larsson, and I'd much rather have Hall than Kadri... I think the more reasonable ask would be Marner for Brodie... in any case, trading Brodie is a terrible idea.


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[the2bears]

Originally Posted by VilleN

How has the idea of trading Brodie for Kadri not been laughed and ridiculed out of this thread?? I personally think that Brodie is better than Adam Larsson, and I'd much rather have Hall than Kadri... I think the more reasonable ask would be Marner for Brodie... in any case, trading Brodie is a terrible idea.


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I tried.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I don't think the Flames will be exclusively buyers or sellers at the deadline. If there's an opportunity to improve the longterm outlook for the franchise you know Treliving will take it. If there is a very cheap rental which improves the team enough to make a final push for the playoffs then you know BT will do the same. I don't think we'll be in a position to take a definitive posture either way.

For one more year we should be sellers at deadline regardless of playoff situation. Our inconsistency this season is clear evidence we are not a contender just yet anyways. That status changes next year with some of our bad contracts especially on D. Core entering prime years.

We likely will have 2-4 players graduate to big club next year (Kylington or Andersson, Jankowski, +/- one or more of Klimchuk/Mangiapane/Poirier). Which means we need to restock the cupboards for the farm and future.

Versteeg for a 2nd rounder. We could probably re-sign in offseason anyways since local ties.
Engelland for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Wideman for a 3rd or 4th rounder (or whatever anyone will give us). Might need to retain salary.
Elliott for a 4th or 5th rounder (Riddich can back-up big club at end of season, more likely to re-sign here if we give up a big club look, 2nd in AHL in SA- McCollum backs up Gillies in Stockton).

Will give us flexibility to move up in 1st round or trade for 1RW at draft. We also do need a 4D although likely added by free agency.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

We likely will have 2-4 players graduate to big club next year (Kylington or Andersson, Jankowski, +/- one or more of Klimchuk/Mangiapane/Poirier). Which means we need to restock the cupboards for the farm and future.

Four rookies making the club next year? No way. Even two would be a lot based on this teams track record of bringing in vets.

I wouldn't expect a major housecleaning and based on history we'll see another July 1 signing or two.

[indes]

I hope we dump wideman for a 2nd and pick up Alzner as a FA. Top 4 set, keep Engelland as our #5 and rotate the rookies through as his partner.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Four rookies making the club next year? No way. Even two would be a lot based on this teams track record of bringing in vets.

I wouldn't expect a major housecleaning and based on history we'll see another July 1 signing or two.

2 to 4 players. Jankowski and at least one D-man very likely with Wideman/Engelland and Smid off the books. More than that less likely, sure.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

For one more year we should be sellers at deadline regardless of playoff situation.

You just want your username to be right, don't you?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

If we make any moves it should be with the expansion draft/future in mind and not going on a long playoff run.

I think a good middle ground would be to trade off someone like Wideman and Bouma for whatever pick/ahl pickup you can get. Then call up an Andersson, Kylington, Jankowski, Mangiapane, Klimchuk etc for the remainder of the season. Who knows maybe one of these rookies can spark the team better than a rental can.

This would also allow the Flames to retain salary on the trades while not having to worry about the cap.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yet you want to trade Brodie?

But I don't think we will make the playoffs and think it makes more sense for the future. Our prospect dmen are much better than our forwards and Kadri is wrapped up longer for cheaper

If we are in playoffs at the deadline I would hold off on this and look at a cheap forward option

[DJones]

Even if we are in playoffs I want to sell anyone that isn't here long term.

We will get steam rolled again in the second round no matter what we do. Window opens next season when we clear house and get Brodie someone to play with.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But I don't think we will make the playoffs and think it makes more sense for the future. Our prospect dmen are much better than our forwards and Kadri is wrapped up longer for cheaper

If we are in playoffs at the deadline I would hold off on this and look at a cheap forward option

Trading guys like Brodie for guys like Kadri ensures that we'll NEVER be in the playoffs.

You've been shot down multiple times on this. It's a horrible idea. Let it go.

[ComixZone]

Now is not the time to be spending futures for help. With the expansion draft on the horizon, and all our "protected" slots effectively filled, what we have now should be what we should go into the playoffs with.

...unless of course Iggy wants to come home - then get Iggy.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Jesus, Brodie isn't even close to worth Marner at this point in time. Marner is playing well right now and has franchise player potential (not saying he will be that, but right now his value will be precieved as such).

I don't like a Kadri for Brodie deal right now because I don't think it makes our team better based on our needs, I'd rather keep Brodie. But the value of the two players being proposed is pretty fair IMO.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Trading guys like Brodie for guys like Kadri ensures that we'll NEVER be in the playoffs.

You've been shot down multiple times on this. It's a horrible idea. Let it go.

The Leaf / Kadri hate is bossing everyone's opinions on this. Again, I don't think this makes sense for us given we have Bennett and Monahan (plus Backlund), but Kadri is on pace for a 0.65 ppt season, had over 0.5 ppg season, is a centre that plays on the edge as is only 26.

These are key types of players fir any team that don't grow on trees, and would cost to acquire. You don't give up centres like that for anything less than an equivalent centre or a top flight D man (like Brodie)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Jesus, Brodie isn't even close to worth Marner at this point in time. Marner is playing well right now and has franchise player potential (not saying he will be that, but right now his value will be precieved as such).

I don't like a Kadri for Brodie deal right now because I don't think it makes our team better based on our needs, I'd rather keep Brodie. But the value of the two players being proposed is pretty fair IMO.

lol no it's not

Kadri is worth marginally more than Backlund.

Brodie is in an entirely different league value-wise.

Brodie for Marner is actually pretty fair value. Marner has more upside but is an easier type of asset to acquire. Brodie is the rarest of assets, a top pairing defenseman that is only 26.

Acquiring Brodie makes any team instantly, and significantly better (unless they already have 4 great defensemen and have no room for him).

Marner has the potential to be a star, but teams need multiple stars up front to be contenders.

It's actually pretty fair value, despite them being such different tyoes of assets.

Brodie for Kadri is beyond laughable. IT's 'fire the GM right fricking now' laughable.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

The Leaf / Kadri hate is bossing everyone's opinions on this. Again, I don't think this makes sense for us given we have Bennett and Monahan (plus Backlund), but Kadri is on pace for a 0.65 ppt season, had over 0.5 ppg season, is a centre that plays on the edge as is only 26.

These are key types of players fir any team that don't grow on trees, and would cost to acquire. You don't give up centres like that for anything less than an equivalent centre or a top flight D man (like Brodie)

You're talking about a 2nd/3rd line C for a young defenseman that was seriously considered for Team Canada last year.

I know everyone has a right to an opinion, but holy ####...

[flamesforcup]

I wouldn't do Brodie for Marner. A #1 dman>Winger