9 people overdosed on Fentanyl in Vancouver yesterday

[jayswin]

The new drug is called carpentry?

[Galakanokis]

carfentanyl is the new drug.

[taco.vidal]

Im guessing he got autocorrected for carfentanil.

15 deaths in Alberta linked to carfentanil, an animal tranquilizer increasingly used as a recreational drug

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...aths-1.3887254

Originally Posted by jayswin

The new drug is called carpentry?

[Ducay]

All this hype around Fentanyl lately has me thinking I'm missing out.

[Poster]

Legalize drugs, take the profits out of the hands of organized crime, apply resources to education, health care, mental health resources and creating opportunities for people.

First thing that must be done is choke out organized crime so we can better allocate resources.

There is no argument to be made. If you don't support full legalization, you support organized crime.

Period.

[Johnny199r]

I understand why someone tries weed for the first time, but why do people for the first time try herion, crystal meth etc? What is the thought process?

"Sure, might as well give it a try!" I understand addiction, but what causes people to try these life ruining substances that clearly have no positive aspects, for the very first time?

[Hackey]

Legalization would be interesting for sure. I don't think there is a perfect solution since you will always have problems no matter what you do. With legalization you can at least regulate it so people know what they are taking. You can use the tax money to fight the problem in more constructive ways as well. Taking the criminal aspect out of the equation would allow you to actually focus on the issue. I also don't think you'd see much of a change in usage rates or whatever other fears people have.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

I understand why someone tries weed for the first time, but why do people for the first time try herion, crystal meth etc? What is the thought process?

"Sure, might as well give it a try!" I understand addiction, but what causes people to try these life ruining substances that clearly have no positive aspects, for the very first time?

Looking for an escape. Curiousity. Peers doing it. Family did it. Hooked on prescription pills and can't get them so switch to heroine. If you look at who does these things its usually a similar person or similar situation so it's not really difficult to understand why it happens.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

I understand why someone tries weed for the first time, but why do people for the first time try herion, crystal meth etc? What is the thought process?

"Sure, might as well give it a try!" I understand addiction, but what causes people to try these life ruining substances that clearly have no positive aspects, for the very first time?

Because the same people selling weed will offer the other stuff too.

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

ugh, do not google pictures of krokidil victims, mistake I made awhile ago trying to explain it to someone.

Ugh. The couple of images they showed in the Vice documentary were awful enough. That is some seriously messed up stuff.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Poster

Legalize drugs, take the profits out of the hands of organized crime, apply resources to education, health care, mental health resources and creating opportunities for people.

First thing that must be done is choke out organized crime so we can better allocate resources.

There is no argument to be made. If you don't support full legalization, you support organized crime.

Period.

In order to get rid of the black market, you have to make something readily available. Making a drug like Fentanyl readily available would be a disaster. Decriminalization of possession, sure. Full on legalization, no.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Poster

Legalize drugs, take the profits out of the hands of organized crime, apply resources to education, health care, mental health resources and creating opportunities for people.

First thing that must be done is choke out organized crime so we can better allocate resources.

There is no argument to be made. If you don't support full legalization, you support organized crime.

Period.

This is the least informed post in the thread. Period

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

This is the least informed post in the thread. Period

Sure. Keep it a jusice issue. Seems to be working?

Why don't you elaborate on your opposition?

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by Poster

Legalize drugs, take the profits out of the hands of organized crime, apply resources to education, health care, mental health resources and creating opportunities for people.

First thing that must be done is choke out organized crime so we can better allocate resources.

There is no argument to be made. If you don't support full legalization, you support organized crime.

Period.

But what about the children? Seriously though

[Itse]

In the case of pretty much all the the addicts I've met, the addiction is the result of a constant need to self-medicate their problems away. Depression, anxiety, even phobias can turn people to look for relief in alcohol or drugs. Simple poverty can be a reason for people to take drugs. (Or I guess the anxiety and hopelessness caused by poverty.)

When people feel like they can't take their lives for another day, they will either kill themselves or find something to take the pain away. Most get drunk because it's legal. Some take harder stuff. When things are bad enough, stuff like fentanyl or krokodil become a win-win scenario. Either you die or you get high, either way you won't feel the pain anymore.

This is BTW one big reason why I really hate it that there's so much shame and fear around taking prescription medication for your mental problems. They're not perfect, but they're very often much better than the solutions people find on their own.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Poster

Sure. Keep it a jusice issue. Seems to be working?

Why don't you elaborate on your opposition?

Dude, you can't just legalize hard drugs. What kind of a crazy message does that send to kids? Like as if I want to take my kid into the bathroom at the Saddledome and see some rec user blasting a rail off the sink or smoking a bowl of meth outside the doors. Come on, man. Hey, is that guy shooting up in the park across the street? Yeah, don't bother calling the cops, it's perfectly legal!

So there are reasons to perhaps decriminalize, but for you to say that unless you're in favour of full legalization, you're in favour of organized crime. I think a lot of people are in favour of finding a new solution to the drug problem, since the War on Drugs didn't work, but full legalization is sure as hell not the solution.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Poster

Sure. Keep it a jusice issue. Seems to be working?

Why don't you elaborate on your opposition?

Ok. The only drawback isn't crime, that pales in comparison to the effect opiate addiction has on families and our healthcare system. The much, much, much larger issues would be increased in order to decrease crime? No

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Poster

Legalize drugs, take the profits out of the hands of organized crime, apply resources to education, health care, mental health resources and creating opportunities for people.

First thing that must be done is choke out organized crime so we can better allocate resources.

There is no argument to be made. If you don't support full legalization, you support organized crime.

Period.

What a solution. Now people can die from fentanyl overdoses legally.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

What a solution. Now people can die from fentanyl overdoses legally.

That's ok! Government can't prosecute itself, so we saved money on not prosecuting the dealer that supplied it! Resource allocation!!11!

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Itse

In the case of pretty much all the the addicts I've met, the addiction is the result of a constant need to self-medicate their problems away. Depression, anxiety, even phobias can turn people to look for relief in alcohol or drugs. Simple poverty can be a reason for people to take drugs. (Or I guess the anxiety and hopelessness caused by poverty.)

When people feel like they can't take their lives for another day, they will either kill themselves or find something to take the pain away. Most get drunk because it's legal. Some take harder stuff. When things are bad enough, stuff like fentanyl or krokodil become a win-win scenario. Either you die or you get high, either way you won't feel the pain anymore.

This is BTW one big reason why I really hate it that there's so much shame and fear around taking prescription medication for your mental problems. They're not perfect, but they're very often much better than the solutions people find on their own.

I believe that there is a strong hereditary factor, in conjunction with an over challenging environment, that leads to a person becoming an addict. So those with predecessors, who have addictions, should be especially careful with drugs, whether legal or illegal.

Also I think, over the past decade, the taking of prescription medication for mental illness is becoming much less of a stigma.