[News] Flames to terminate Grossmann's contract

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Great. What am I going to do with this Grossman jersey.

I got his name and number tattooed over my heart. This is going to be awkward to explain to my wife. She was just barely coming to terms with the crossed out 'Anders Eriksson' tattoo.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Great. What am I going to do with this Grossman jersey.

I hope you got it at a deep discount since the name on the back was spelled wrong.

[Snuffleupagus]

Would somebody please explain what Grossman's signing and wavering had to do with LTIR relief on Smid's contract?.

Dummy terms would be great.

Thanks

Signed dummy

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Would somebody please explain what Grossman's signing and wavering had to do with LTIR relief on Smid's contract?.

Dummy terms would be great.

Thanks

Signed dummy

Irrelevance?

We had money to spend so we spent it?

When you have cap-space it accrues over the course of the season. So Smid's $3.5M, if it was normal space (which it is not) meant that we could sign a significantly more expensive player at the trade deadline. (Which we could not)

Since it was not, it means that his $3.5M did not accrue, so it was just space, we could either spend it or not.

And management decided to spend it on Grossman. But at the same time they could waive him to the AHL and it wouldnt matter, we'd get our cap-space back.

The thing is that Smid's $3.5 is $3.5 no matter how you slice it. So Treliving figured: "hit the cap and we still have $3.5 if we need it."

Why he decided that Grossman was his man, well...thats on him.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Would somebody please explain what Grossman's signing and wavering had to do with LTIR relief on Smid's contract?.

Dummy terms would be great.

Thanks

Signed dummy

When a player gets put on LTIR, their contract continues to count against the salary cap. However, what the LTIR move does is allow you to exceed the cap by a portion of the injured player's AAV. The closer the team roster is to the cap ceiling, the more the team can exceed the cap.

Say the Flames were $2M short of the cap when they placed Smid on LTIR. His contract is for $3.5M. Thus the Flames could only exceed the cap by ($3.5M - $2M = $1.5M) $1.5M during the season.

The Grossmann signing brought the Flames total cap hit to $72,991,734. Just $8,266 under the cap. Thus, when the Flames placed Smid on LTIR, the Flames can now exceed the cap by ($3.5M - $8,266) = $3,491,734.

The Flames didn't have another player in the system that could have been called up to get close to the cap. The cheapest contract prior to Grossmann was Tom McCollum at $612,500. That contract still would have put the Flames over the cap. By signing Grossman to a $575K contract, they got as close as possible to the cap. Without the signing, the Flames would only get to exceed the cap by $2,916,734.

[Strange Brew]

Thanks FC. Grossman's only value to this team was his willingness to accept $575k contract. Blows me away that this team is right against the cap. Crazy.

Locke you need to read FC's post.

[Inferno099]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

So glad the Flames wasted the last few pre-season games playing guys like Grossman, Higgins and Korpikoski......none of whom are on the team. Hope this is a lesson for next season for GG, to use the last game or two to get ready for the season, not the first few games of the regular season.

Notwithstanding the contract issue of Johnny...
I hope this opens some eyes that when a full scale coaching change / systems overhaul occurs....

Use the darn preseason with the expected starting roster to use all pre-season games to try to glue things together for the coaches preaching / teaching their philosophy to those who will be on the team.

And yes I know you may not get a Kulak or other rookie in.... but I think it would be better time spent than parachuting PTO's in or AHL guys who you will not start with the NHL roster. #19 would've slotted in compared to others available IMO.

Just my 2 cents.... who knows maybe that wouldn't have made a difference and the team would still be in same boat as they are today, but I'd hope the extra time as a team rather than different guys slotting in & out that are already gone would've helped the cohesion / gluing of the team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Yes I was being sarcastic. This signing was crap from the beginning and I don't care what potential benefits it was suppose to provide for the salary cap.

The argument can be made it was suppose to provide X amount of benefits but at the end of the day Grossman isn't an NHL caliber D man in today's game. What the entire purpose of this experiment was, I still don't know.

So... not sarcastic

[sureLoss]

Grossmann talks to Swedish newspapers:

http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey...-sverige-igen/

From what I could gather from google translate:

He never went to Stockton, still in Calgary.
Both Flames and he decided it was best to terminate contract
Family moving back to Sweden this week.

Hopes to find a Swedish hockey team to play for where he can get a good role.
Has no desire to play in Russia or anywhere else in Europe.

A little disappointed he only got 3 NHL games after earning a contract in training camp and earning the accolades of the coaches and management.
But it is a business. He thought he would have the role as the #7 d-man but he won't any longer

Did not think it would be very "stimulating" to play in the AHL and Flames also realize it would take away a spot from a youngster.

Doesn't think he got the chance to show what he could do. Did think he did show in the preseason but it is also about politics, salary cap, age, etc.

Doesn't have anything concrete with any SHL club, but had numerous discussions in recent days

[jayswin]

No, the problem is he did get a chance to show what he can do. His best shot at lasting longer in the NHL would have been as many press box games as possible.

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Grossmann (CAL) clears. Contract terminated, free to go elsewhere. Gazdic (NJ) on waivers today

[MarkGio]

This is good news. Hopefully he finds somewhere he wants to play and thankfully the Flames young D in the system don't have to give up minutes

[MarkGio]

I think if the Flames were winning games, it might have been different. But when they're losing, the old wash up is usually the first whipping boy

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Great. What am I going to do with this Grossman jersey.

At least you didn't have him in your pool.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Grossmann talks to Swedish newspapers:

http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey...-sverige-igen/

From what I could gather from google translate:

He never went to Stockton, still in Calgary.
Both Flames and he decided it was best to terminate contract
Family moving back to Sweden this week.

Hopes to find a Swedish hockey team to play for where he can get a good role.
Has no desire to play in Russia or anywhere else in Europe.

A little disappointed he only got 3 NHL games after earning a contract in training camp and earning the accolades of the coaches and management.
But it is a business. He thought he would have the role as the #7 d-man but he won't any longer

Did not think it would be very "stimulating" to play in the AHL and Flames also realize it would take away a spot from a youngster.

Doesn't think he got the chance to show what he could do. Did think he did show in the preseason but it is also about politics, salary cap, age, etc.

Doesn't have anything concrete with any SHL club, but had numerous discussions in recent days

yeah, i'd say politics were the only reason he got a shot in the first place.

And then the person (Gluzatzen) realized he couldn't defend it anymore and he had to go.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Ahhh... I see the problem...

They ARE smarter than us. There is NO way that a lifetime in the game makes them less so than us armchair GMs and Coaches... but many of us have this belief that "we understand the x" better than them, whether 'x' be the players, the strategy, the dressing room, etc.

Lots of people here talk quite intelligently, and much of the time with lots of great opinions (others not so much), but we shouldn't ever really think we ARE smarter. If we were, we would be the ones with the million dollar jobs.

Thank you. My biggest pet peeve of this forum

[Jaydee]

Misread the title as Gulutzan's contract. Damn I was almost excited

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

Ahhh... I see the problem...

They ARE smarter than us. There is NO way that a lifetime in the game makes them less so than us armchair GMs and Coaches... but many of us have this belief that "we understand the x" better than them, whether 'x' be the players, the strategy, the dressing room, etc.

Lots of people here talk quite intelligently, and much of the time with lots of great opinions (others not so much), but we shouldn't ever really think we ARE smarter. If we were, we would be the ones with the million dollar jobs.

So does this mean that some people aren't bad at their jobs?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by memphusk

So does this mean that some people aren't bad at their jobs?

A professional welder who sucks at his job is still a better welder than someone who's never welded anything before.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

A professional welder who sucks at his job is still a better welder than someone who's never welded anything before.

I dunno, I've seen an electrician accidentally weld an Allan key to a panel before. They were on there really tight.