Flames have an overage penalty against their cap for 16/17

[The Fonz]

Is there Smid/LTIR news that I'm not aware of?

Everyone else seems confident he'll go to LTIR - me, not so much. I get the feeling that Smid has every intention of being ready for game 1.

[Weitz]

I'm with you Fonz. He has been skating all summer hasn't he? I mean this isn't a Ference situation where he has said his injury is career ending.

[bubbsy]

is this a non-issue if Smid goes LTIR?

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Let's be real here for a second as well. It's not the mason raymond or shane o'brien buyouts that are a problem, it's the $9 million tied up with Wideman and Smid that is the problem.

Most definitely bad money. Then add Bollig's $1.25 million. More bad money.

Additionally, Stajan and Bouma combine for $5.325 million next year. That's looks like bad money too from where I'm sitting. Some like what those guys bring but even if you are extremely generous about it, those contracts are merely mediocre from a value perspective.

That's $15.575 million that the Flames would be a lot better off not having on the books. It'd be fine if the management didn't need the flexibility to sign one of the most dynamic players to come through the franchise in years.

[ricardodw]

When Chicago goes over the cap because Toews wins the Con Smythe bonus is one thing.

A 26th place team that was out of the playoff hunt by the start of December is a complete other story.

This is the kind of thing I would expect from the Oilers


There has been a lot of credit given to Treliving for having a process and sticking to it.


Now if he can only learn to use a spread sheet and manage a salary cap.


what the heck happened when they were signing Frolik, Hamilton and Ramo last summer when they should have known that they were incredibly close to the cap. Ramo was signed for 3.8M .... Elliot was playing in St.L for 2.5 and Johnson in Buffalo for 1.3,

Where are the cpers that where constantly saying that a 2/3 RW like Frolik need to get paid 4.3

[GoJetsGo]

In before Ricardow uses this as an opportunity to slag Hamilton/Frolik...

oooh.

Too slow.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

In before Ricardow uses this as an opportunity to slag Hamilton/Frolik...

oooh.

Too slow.

I have 13M in cap space to spend.... Lets spend all of it and hope that Gaudreau and Monahan and Bennett have bad seasons??

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Is Cap Friendly the best source for this stuff, or are there any official outlets reporting this?

[CroFlames]

General Fanager says the Flames $8.594M in cap space.


http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/calgary-flames

[GGG]

We have the cap flexibility to sign Johnny. If anything this gives us leverage if 8 were the number that were settled to. Sorry Johnny we cant give you more than 7.75.

7.2 x 8 years is as much as he should get. Taresenko plus adjusting for RFA years is the max. We have enough cap room for that so this isn't an issue relative to the Gaudreau signing.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I have 13M in cap space to spend.... Lets spend all of it and hope that Gaudreau and Monahan and Bennett have bad seasons??

According to generalfanager we had $3,401,757 cap space last season.

Am I missing something, why wasn't the bonus money added onto last season's cap? Shane O'Brian had a cap hit of $733,333 and $2,412,500 was bonus money which totals $3,145,833 keeping us below the cap.

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Now if he can only learn to use a spread sheet and manage a salary cap.

First, Really? As if this is the case, I don't see where Treliving has come out and said "Oh? I didn't know this until it came out on CapFriendly?" They have every transaction that's ever been made, they aren't going to use a fan service site like CapFriendly or GeneralFanager to track their own players and contracts...

Second, it's a Buyout on a player on the team from 2 years ago, context is way different, things change quickly and it still doesn't change anything in the Gaudreau negotiations since he wasn't signing for $8M anyways.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by MoreDrank

Most definitely bad money. Then add Bollig's $1.25 million. More bad money.

Additionally, Stajan and Bouma combine for $5.325 million next year. That's looks like bad money too from where I'm sitting. Some like what those guys bring but even if you are extremely generous about it, those contracts are merely mediocre from a value perspective.

That's $15.575 million that the Flames would be a lot better off not having on the books. It'd be fine if the management didn't need the flexibility to sign one of the most dynamic players to come through the franchise in years.

Would it be fine?

Stajan makes 62.5% of what Cammalleri makes with Cammy having one extra year.

I know which player I would rather have for the next handful of years.

In the 2014 offseason we spent 7.3M on Engelland, Bollig, and Raymond. Meanwhile Steve Yzerman spent 4.5M on a top pair defenseman, Anton Stralman, in the same UFA market.

I know which player I would rather have for the next handful of years.

I hate to use retrospect - but it's never, ever a good idea to spend all your money on bottom-half-of-lineup players. You're better off not spending at all. You only have to make the cap floor and you don't need to sign anything longer than one year deals to do that.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Is Cap Friendly the best source for this stuff, or are there any official outlets reporting this?

CapFriendly is completely reliable for cap related stuff.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Or blame Treliving for not using a compliance buy-out? That's a huge dropped ball.

Huge dropped ball? Give me a break.

[Freeway]

We're waiting on a few responses back from the league and other sources, but this sure is confusing.

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Would it be fine?

Stajan makes 62.5% of what Cammalleri makes with Cammy having one extra year.

I know which player I would rather have for the next handful of years.

In the 2014 offseason we spent 7.3M on Engelland, Bollig, and Raymond. Meanwhile Steve Yzerman spent 4.5M on a top pair defenseman, Anton Stralman, in the same UFA market.

I know which player I would rather have for the next handful of years.

I hate to use retrospect - but it's never, ever a good idea to spend all your money on bottom-half-of-lineup players. You're better off not spending at all. You only have to make the cap floor and you don't need to sign anything longer than one year deals to do that.

Entirely correct. It's death by a thousands cuts. A number of missteps that add up. The Flames have been poor at extracting value from the 4th line and the 5/6 pairing. At least a lot of that money comes off the books next off-season.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Huge dropped ball? Give me a break.

It's pretty significant, yes. Would be nice to have an extra 600k in cap space considering we didn't use any of our compliance buyouts.

[Cole436]

The reaction here is feels like it's three million dollars, not six hundred thousand. Do you really think this amount of money is going to cripple our cap? We have two players who may not even make the opening night roster (Chiasson and Vey) that make $700,000-800,000 who I would be surprised if we couldn't unload for a low draft pick or future considerations.

Also if Smid is on LTIR this issue will matter even less. Of all the issues that we beat to death here, this is one of them that really is ridiculous.

[Mister Yamoto]

Great. Paying players to NOT play for the Flames. Shane O'Brian and Mason Raymond collecting a nice cheque while Bob Hartley laughs his ass off. All three of them being paid handsomely to do nothing more than to stay away. What a joke.