How would Monahan, Bennett, and Tkachuk rank in the same draft class?

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Looking back on it though, the 2013 draft was way better at the top end than 2014 or 2016 (Matthews excepted).

Monahan's draft year compares nicely with a player like Dubois, who should have gone no worse than 4th this year. It's not often that you see a player that has double the points of the next player on his team. His low draft ranking was also due to people thinking that his draft year was no better than his draft-1, (78 points both years), but they probably failed to realize his team went from playoffs to basement, with Monahan being one of the only good players left.

I can't imagine any scout (except Edmonton ones of course, they did take Hall over Seguin) taking Tkachuk over Monahan at their drafts.

Drouin says HI

[dabrit]

1. Johnny " The Magician Gaudreau"
2. Johnny " Mr Overtime" Gaudreau
3. Johnny " Who's Merlin I'm the Wizard" Gaudreau
4. Sam " You Shall not pass" Bennett
6. Matthew " Don't call me upchuck" Tkachuk
7. Sean " I like hockey it's nice" Monahan

[jg13]

Originally Posted by dabrit

1. Johnny " The Magician Gaudreau"
2. Johnny " Mr Overtime" Gaudreau
3. Johnny " Who's Merlin I'm the Wizard" Gaudreau
4. Sam " You Shall not pass" Bennett
6. Michael " Don't call me upchuck" Tkachuk
7. Sean " I like hockey it's nice" Monahan

Who is Michael Tkachuk?

[dabrit]

Originally Posted by jg13

Who is Michael Tkachuk?

Oops....I'm drunk I get a pass.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by jg13

Who is Michael Tkachuk?

Best friends with jarmoe Iginla

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is an exaggerated concern.

This is dismissive with no logic to support an argument.

[dabrit]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

Best friends with jarmoe Iginla

I remember when Steve Armitage introduced Jarome as " Joe Iginla" lol.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AcGold

This is dismissive with no logic to support an argument.

"No logic"? I don't think that is terribly meaningful, but as far as support I would say that since there does not appear to be a direct correlation between a NHL player's size and his propensity for injury the concern is indeed exaggerated.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by dabrit

I remember when Steve Armitage introduced Jarome as " Joe Iginla" lol.

Joe Iginla was traded for the famous Jarome Nieuwendyk.

[Matata]

Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan

I put Tkachuk ahead of Monahan just because he had ridiculous post season numbers. Not too many players Tkachuk's size have put those kinds of numbers in the last decade.

[Coach]

Lots of shiny new toy syndrome.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Lots of shiny new toy syndrome.

How do you figure?

The question posed by nature requires everyone to evaluate all three players at the time of their respective drafts, when each of them was a "shiny new toy."

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How do you figure?

The question posed by nature requires everyone to evaluate all three players at the time of their respective drafts, when each of them was a "shiny new toy."

Ah I misread the post. I thought it meant if they were in the same draft, how would you order them (basically who do you value most).

I would say Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan for the OP then. I voted MBT.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by AcGold

This is dismissive with no logic to support an argument.

Bennett played 77 games this year. At this point, all we know is he can play 94% of an NHL schedule.

EDIT: For reference, Sean Monahan played 2 fewer games his rookie season.

[dying4acup]

In the 2013 draft I put Bennett in competition for #2 overall, in competition with Jones and Barkov. I wasn't a huge fan of Drouin as a winger.

Tkachuk would, in my opinion, be in competition with Nichushkin. I loved Nichushkin. Still do, despite his injuries and struggles. Tkachuk would have won, despite his height, mostly due to the "Russian factor"

[StrykerSteve]

Bennett
Tkachuk
Monahan

Based purely on rankings and hype. Money is a beauty, but he didn't have near the hype leading up to the draft as the other two.

[EVERLAST]

Bennett Monahan Tkachuk leading but I'd like to be pleasantly surprised.

Don't know how it plays out with Chucker but it would be cool to see him be a force and make thr Flames keep him up.

Bennett has already impressed the snot out of me

Sean is good but how can you not be a little bit better playing beside an all world talent superstar like Johnny.

This year will be interesting to see if those 2 stick together on a line with new coaches.

[Erick Estrada]

What's curious is that Bennett, Monahan, Tkachuk is winning this despite short memories as the poll going into the 2013 draft had more posters picking Lindholm than Monahan in the poll for the Flames pick. There was a lot of talk of Tkachuk being possibly the 3rd overall prospect going into the draft while Monahan was never in top 5 talk for his draft. Maybe some voters don't understand that the vote is based on where they were in their draft years and not how good they are today or will be?

[Vinny01]

Voted Bennett, Monahan, Tkachuk but it was tough. Bennett was a player some had going number 1 in the draft but we had a top 4 pick in a draft where the first ledge was after 4. I thought we were getting Bennett, Drasaitl, or Reinhart (no way Ekblad slipped past the Oil). 2013 was a much deeper draft. As Flames fans we knew we were getting one of Monahan or Lindholm we just didn't get to pick. Similar to 2014 the Flames get the guy they wanted fall into their laps and he hasn't disappointed yet. 2016 we couldn't really talk about Tkachuk falling to 6 after the Mem Cup. It seemed more likely he would break that top 3 before falling down to 6. To me the Tkachuk pick was the most surprising as I didn't think it would happen without trading up with the Oilers or Canucks.

i just look at how fortunate the Flames have been drafting in the top 10 since trading Iginla. We had the perfect player fall in our laps when it came out time to pick. Basically drafting our top 2 centre's and our next power forward winger. Having drafted a superstar winger and top pairing Dman in the 4th round years earlier sure helped and fleecing the Bruins for their young stud D also accelerated things.

I look at the players picked one spot before and one spot after our top 10 picks.
Lindholm
Drasaitl
Juolevi
Or
Nurse
Dal Cole
Keller

Looking at those picks I couldn't help but think the flames would be a couple years behind on the rebuild if we had those trios over our own

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Voted Bennett, Monahan, Tkachuk but it was tough. Bennett was a player some had going number 1 in the draft but we had a top 4 pick in a draft where the first ledge was after 4. I thought we were getting Bennett, Drasaitl, or Reinhart (no way Ekblad slipped past the Oil). 2013 was a much deeper draft. As Flames fans we knew we were getting one of Monahan or Lindholm we just didn't get to pick. Similar to 2014 the Flames get the guy they wanted fall into their laps and he hasn't disappointed yet. 2016 we couldn't really talk about Tkachuk falling to 6 after the Mem Cup. It seemed more likely he would break that top 3 before falling down to 6. To me the Tkachuk pick was the most surprising as I didn't think it would happen without trading up with the Oilers or Canucks.

i just look at how fortunate the Flames have been drafting in the top 10 since trading Iginla. We had the perfect player fall in our laps when it came out time to pick. Basically drafting our top 2 centre's and our next power forward winger. Having drafted a superstar winger and top pairing Dman in the 4th round years earlier sure helped and fleecing the Bruins for their young stud D also accelerated things.

I look at the players picked one spot before and one spot after our top 10 picks.
Lindholm
Drasaitl
Juolevi
Or
Nurse
Dal Cole
Keller

Looking at those picks I couldn't help but think the flames would be a couple years behind on the rebuild if we had those trios over our own

Good post and some solid points. The Flames have been VERY fortunate with how some of the picks have fallen onto the teams' lap and the fact that we've hit absolute diamonds in the rough in the 4th round. I don't even want to imagine where this team would be without Gaudreau or Brodie. All the talk of the team taking 'the next step' would certainly be shut down without those 2.

Out of that entire list, Draisatl is really the only player I would consider even being in the conversation of swapping with our picks, but even then I hesitate. The team IMO would be quite a bit behind the rebuild if we had say Lindholm instead of Monahan.

While it's obviously too early to really make any concrete statements about who the best players are, I think the Flames have really acquired the best possible talent possible. And that's a real tip of the hat to not only the scouting staff and management, but to the hockey gods who finally seem to slowly be swaying in our favour.