Munich Mall shooting

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Nothing at all has been confirmed, this is just the two versions you get. Left wing Twitter hoping it's a white guy, right wing Twitter hoping it's a Muslim. The majority in the middle finds both sides revolting and pathetic.

There was an interview with young woman on CNN who identified herself as a muslim and definately said he was shouting allah ahkbar or whatever it is they yell.

[activeStick]

Saw an interview on CNN that confirmed a video had the voice of the shooter with a southern German accent that is most likely that of a local German.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by transplant99

There was an interview with young woman on CNN who identified herself as a muslim and definately said he was shouting allah ahkbar or whatever it is they yell.

Originally Posted by activeStick

Saw an interview on CNN that confirmed a video had the voice of the shooter with a southern German accent that is most likely that of a local German.

Ummm....

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calculoso

The point that you're apparently missing is that if violence/terrorism spreads to places where there previously wasn't violence, this is an even bigger problem.



What am I supposed to do if there is tribal warfare in Africa? ...if there are drug lords in Colombia terrorizing their country? Not feel that a problem is increasing if the drug lords come to my neighborhood?

I'm not missing that point in the least.

You should be aware of the problem. And not be shocked that a problem in one part of the world spreads. It's pretty simple.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm not missing that point in the least.

You should be aware of the problem. And not be shocked that a problem in one part of the world spreads. It's pretty simple.

The root cause of the spread of it is pretty clear.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Ummm....

It can be both

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was just such an amazing idea.

The gift that just keeps on giving.

Yeah, we should have just let Saddam have Kuwait, bin Laden wouldn't have gotten mad that infidels were on his holy land and 9-11 wouldn't have happened. Blame Bush.

[calgarygeologist]

German police are apparently claiming that the shooter acted alone and shoot himself.

[HarryH93]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yeah, we should have just let Saddam have Kuwait, bin Laden wouldn't have gotten mad that infidels were on his holy land and 9-11 wouldn't have happened. Blame Bush.

You think Bush and the foreign policy of certain countries did not contribute to this mess that we see nowadays?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yeah, we should have just let Saddam have Kuwait, bin Laden wouldn't have gotten mad that infidels were on his holy land and 9-11 wouldn't have happened. Blame Bush.

Considering that Al Qaeda had formed in 1988 and Bin Laden was already pissed at the rest of the western world and emboldened by his win against the Russians, I doubt that not fighting Saddam would have made any difference in Bin Laden's ideals.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's mostly how it's always been. It's been more heavily reported because it's been happening more often in the "western" world.

It's life.

So is children being murdered. And yet most folks here were more emotionally invested in the little girl who was recently murdered here than in the dozens who have been murdered elsewhere in the world in the last week. And that's perfectly normal.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Personally I am amused by people who dont realize that islamic terrorists mostly kill muslims in 3rd world countries and those people have been dealing with this for the better part of a decade and a half now. But of course that doesnt fit the narrative some people want to believe of terrorism being exclusively an islamic phenomenon or an exclusive attack on the western world and its values. There is a lot of terrorism going on in the world and most of it is happening in crappy countries nobody cares about, no hashtags for them and no facebook profile pictures will be changed for them. But as soon as some vile criminal religious extremist takes the life of a western person we all become personally offended.

It just shows people value certain lives more than others. We're more connected with Germany and France than other countries where innocent people die and we turn a blind eye or its not even newsworthy.

See above. It's impossible to be universally empathetic, to react to every death in the world with equal emotional engagement. In the space of time between when you posted this and when I responded, hundreds of children in the world have died in awful ways. Our news media will only report on a handful of them, and few will be noted in our social media circles. What alternative is there? Do you honestly expect our media to cover every awful thing, every death and murder and war, to the same degree? It's impossible. All news is selective.

And you know what we also don't hear much about in the Western news and Facebook? Rampaging mobs in countries like South African murdering unwanted immigrants. And yet I'm willing to bet if a mob of Germans assaulted a Syrian refugee camp and murdered a half-dozen men staying there it would be a major news story indeed.

Originally Posted by HarryH93

You think Bush and the foreign policy of certain countries did not contribute to this mess that we see nowadays?

Did Bush and his foreign policy contribute to the terrorism and violent insurgency in the Philippines? In foreigners being blown to pieces in Indonesia? Mass terror attacks in Mumbai? In the sectarian slaughter in Mali, and the madness of Boko Haram?

Not everything bad in the world can be traced back to Western Imperialism. There has been violent discord everywhere in the world where Islamic societies border non-Islamic societies for centuries. It has worsened in recent decades as the near-absolute failure of Islamic countries to cope with the modern world has fostered a ferocious credo of resentment and fanaticism.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

AFP news agency ‏@AFP
#BREAKING: Munich shooter was German-Iranian, motive 'unclear': police

[transplant99]

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe...ing/index.html

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by transplant99

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe...ing/index.html

Jesus Christ.....innocent civilians are terrible but it's on another level when children are involved.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

You can go ahead and take this ultimate SJW stance if you'd like. In a perfect world there would be no violence, no genocide, no world hunger.

This is not a perfect world, it's the real world. Don't act all high and mighty because I've accepted reality.

Violence is a part of life and the violence has been invited to our doorstep. It's no longer something happening in a far away place I've never been and never intend to go. It's happening to a place I visited a month ago.

You sure took that personally. Just started rambling a bunch of assumptions. If it happens in a far place you never intend to go how does that differ from a place where you have visited? Because you have some kind of attachment to it that changes anything? Its people being attacked regardless. If anything Id figured youd feel for the people who live in way worse conditions and have been for decades. Much of their suffering is the result of Western intervention. That's not being a social justice warrior that is the reality you apparently haven't accepted. You basically answered my question though.

You're basically saying violence is a part of life. I've accepted the reality that millions of innocent people will die and be displaced from their homes but that is somewhere far away so thats just life. But when it happens somewhere I want to visit then it's an issue.

[CaptainCrunch]

You do have to think that there is going to be a strong backlash against Immigration in Europe and that door is going to be closed. There's going to be a huge eruption of anger in France and Germany.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You do have to think that there is going to be a strong backlash against Immigration in Europe and that door is going to be closed. There's going to be a huge eruption of anger in France and Germany.

Absolutely. It's gonna happen I just wonder how it will be implemented and how far it will reach. Germany let 1 million refugee from largely Muslim countries in. If that doesn't buy them any credit with Muslims than nothing will.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

AFP news agency ‏@AFP
#BREAKING: Munich shooter was German-Iranian, motive 'unclear': police

Well ####.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You do have to think that there is going to be a strong backlash against Immigration in Europe and that door is going to be closed. There's going to be a huge eruption of anger in France and Germany.

Yeah...which way though? Are the Germans going to pushed past the breaking point in regards to immigrants or are the immigrants going to be upset with the Germans?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

So this kid was not affiliated with ISIS at all, actually sounds like he wasn't very religious. Born and raised in Munich, sounds like this was a case similar to what happened in Norway years ago, could be some mental issues there. He was also researching rampages and mass shootings. This was what was on CNN anyway. When we hear of these things the first thing we think of is ISIS and immigrants and refugees but in this case that doesn't seem to be the issue at all.