[Signing] Oilers sign Puljujarvi to ELC (3yrs, $3.425mil AAV)

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I get that, but had it played out any other way I doubt we end up with Tkachuk and i'm ecstatic we ended up with him. I think Tkachuk is going to haut the Oilers and Canucks for years as well.

I'm in this camp too. I want what's best for the Flames first. If the Oilers getting a better prospect means the Flames do too I take that 10 times out of 10. Who cares who Edmonton takes?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by polak

Still livid the Oilers got him. I think he'll haunt us.

The oilers have had 4 x 1sts overalls (hall, rnh, yakupov, mcdavid), and going back to 2007, 8 top 10 picks NOT including Puljujarvi.

I wasn't haunted when they got McDavid, and i'm sure as hell not haunted with this kid, regardless of his talent level. Plenty of talent brought in over the past decade, yet to ice a non-AHL team.

Until they start to prove otherwise, there is no reason to give any kind of benefit of the doubt.

[Robbob]

If the oilers have proven one thing is that they rush talent and are have issues developing top end talent.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Draug

So in the Flames case, because we were able to fit Johnny's bonuses into the cap of the current season, none of his bonus cap hits carry over to next season? I understand that correctly?

That's a big advantage of leaving a bit of cap room to cover bonuses so that you aren't paying in the next year when you are one step closer to being rebuilt. The Oilers have it all wrong; they'll be paying cap room for bonuses when they really need to be signing veterans to complete the rebuild (if they ever get there).

The Oilers do have $8.3 million in cap space this year, so wouldn't their bonus's be counted this year?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The Oilers do have $8.3 million in cap space this year, so wouldn't their bonus's be counted this year?

I don't' think that 8.3 doesn't include the cap cushion (numbers according to nhlnumber.com)
http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/EDM?year=2017

Total Cap Hit 75.990
Bonus Cushion 5.475
Cap Space 2.486

[Weitz]

Ah yah ok. That includes Ference who will be LTIR, so subtract 3.625.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Ah yah ok. That includes Ference who will be LTIR, so subtract 3.625.

Is Ferrence absolutely sure to miss the season, or is he in the same situation as Smid?

Are either one of these guys preparing for training camp?

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Is Ferrence absolutely sure to miss the season, or is he in the same situation as Smid?

Are either one of these guys preparing for training camp?

Ference is absolutely done:

On where assistant captain Andrew Ference fits with one year left on his contract and coming off hip surgery: “He’s going to be disabled, he won’t be able to play. He could go on LTI (Long Term Disability) if we want to spend that money above the salary cap.”

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/07/0...es-in-edmonton

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Ah yah ok. That includes Ference who will be LTIR, so subtract 3.625.

Not quite that easy as he still has to be paid. They have 2.4 cap space and his salary is 3.6, so they can exceed the cap by 1.2m. It is some sort of calculation that the NHL. Bottom line the 3.625 is not free cap space. Obviously that will change throughout the year.

http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/9/18/...ng-term-injury

In order to qualify for the LTIR, a player must be deemed to be unavailable for 24 days and 10 NHL games after the time of injury.
A team is allowed to exceed the salary cap Upper Limit by x amount after applying this formula: The cap hit of the injured player on LTIR minus the amount of salary cap space equals the amount that team can exceed the upper limit by.
And most importantly, a player on LTIR does not generate any extra cap room for the team. He does not come off the books, and will be factored into the calculations of the year-end salary cap of the team.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Not quite that easy as he still has to be paid. They have 2.4 cap space and his salary is 3.6, so they can exceed the cap by 1.2m. It is some sort of calculation that the NHL. Bottom line the 3.625 is not free cap space. Obviously that will change throughout the year.

http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/9/18/...ng-term-injury

In order to qualify for the LTIR, a player must be deemed to be unavailable for 24 days and 10 NHL games after the time of injury.
A team is allowed to exceed the salary cap Upper Limit by x amount after applying this formula: The cap hit of the injured player on LTIR minus the amount of salary cap space equals the amount that team can exceed the upper limit by.
And most importantly, a player on LTIR does not generate any extra cap room for the team. He does not come off the books, and will be factored into the calculations of the year-end salary cap of the team.

So it's not free space essentially?

How is it any different than Pronger, Smid, Savard etc?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So it's not free space essentially?

How is it any different than Pronger, Smid, Savard etc?

Smid was never really an issue for the flames as they had crap ton of space.

The others were eventually traded to teams that could use the contract to get floor but prior to that they were so close to the cap that they were able to leverage the full LTIR space. Although Boston/Chiarelli did have a rough go with their cap trying to juggle all that.

[locsofblu]

Poor son of a bitch lol.

[djsFlames]

So will he be on the first line RW opening night?

Shiny new toy syndrome seems to hit Edmonton management and coaching as hard as it does the fans. Just throw em right in there. Give em max dollars. No big deal. Buildin' somethin' special.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

So will he be on the first line RW opening night?

Shiny new toy syndrome seems to hit Edmonton management and coaching as hard as it does the fans. Just throw em right in there. Give em max dollars. No big deal. Buildin' somethin' special.

If he played with Lucic and McDavid he'd probably be alright. Production would fall off a cliff when he gets taken off that line though.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So it's not free space essentially?

How is it any different than Pronger, Smid, Savard etc?

It is only free space if you are over the cap. The only way LTIR provides relief is if you are over the Cap.

IE Calgary has $500k in cap space, Smid's $3.125M or whatever is already accounted for. But calgary could take on a player with $3.625M and receive the cap relief.

Make sense?

[Erick Estrada]

I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the Calder trophy.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the Calder trophy.

You are in the wrong thread. I think you meant to post that in the Tkachuk thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the Calder trophy.

Really? The kid that only put up 37 points in 60 Liiga games last season winning the Calder wouldn't shock you?

I'd be pretty surprise myself.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Really? The kid that only put up 37 points in 60 Liiga games last season winning the Calder wouldn't shock you?

I'd be pretty surprise myself.

Yep, long shot at best. The finalists are going to be Matthews, Laine and Nylander IMO.

[Robbob]

Yeah, I can't imagine him being thrown on the first line while trying to adapt to the north American game. Not setting up to succeed at all.