If Tkachuk wins the Calder how many points do the Flames Finnish with?

[Vinny01]

If Tkachuk has a huge rookie year and the Flames do not have any major injuries they should make the playoffs. Considering winning the Calder likely results in a 60-75pt season that would be a huge year.

Going to be a lot of rookies likely making the jump. Strome, Marner, Zacha, Matthews, Fins, Dubois etc

[TheScorpion]

Hah, why didn't I think of this thread?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hah, why didn't I think of this thread?

Don't worry, I was thinking about you when I started it!

Lol

[CsInMyBlood]

Setting up the play.

[JerryUnderscore]

What the hell, why not...

Okay, so if we take a look at all the Calder winners since the '04-'05 lockout, we get this:

05-06: Ovechkin (LW) 52-54-106 (81 games) Washington: 70pts, No playoffs
06-07: Malkin (C) 33-52-85 (78 games) Pittsburgh: 105pts, Playoffs
07-08: Kane (RW) 21-51-72 (82 games) Chicago: 88pts, No playoffs
08-09: Steve Mason (G) 0-0-0 (61 games) Columbus: 92pts, Playoffs
09-10: Myers (D) 11-37-48 (82 games) Buffalo: 100pts, Playoffs
10-11: Skinner (C) 31-32-63 (82 games) Carolina: 91pts, No playoffs
11-12: Landeskog (LW) 22-30-52 (82 games) Colorado: 88pts, No playoffs
12-13: Huberdeau (LW) 14-17-31 (48 games) Florida: 36pts, No playoffs
13-14: MacKinnon (C) 24-39-63 (82 games) Colorado: 112pts, Playoffs
14-15: Ekblad (D) 12-27-39 (81 games) Florida: 91pts, No playoffs
15-16: Panarin (LW) 30-47-77 (80 games) Chicago: 103pts, Playoffs

Based on this, the average team scores 91 points and misses the playoffs (that average included a pro-rated total for the 2012-13 season).

If we exclude Steve Mason and the two defensemen that won the Calder and just take the goals, assists and points for forwards, the average Calder winner scores 30G - 42A - 72P.

Some posters have pointed out that if Tkachuk happens to win the Calder it means we'll go deep in the playoffs. The past winners don't automatically indicate that, however this list doesn't take into consideration the many other factors at play such as goaltending, other elite talent, etc.

As Kent Wilson pointed out in an article over on Flames Nation, our improved goaltending alone could see us improve from a 77 point season last year to a 90 point season this year.

If that's true and we continue to see point increases from Gaudreau, Monahan & Bennett as well as a 30-42-72 Calder season from Tkachuk, then I would guess we would be somewhere near 100 points for the season.

[Justin]

If Tkachuk even plays this season (which I'm not convinced he will), I still only expect a 25-30 point season out of him.

[Otto-matic]

I'll play along

He won't win the Calder but will put up 30/40 Points. The flames will see a 16 to 26 point increase this year with solid goal tending in net finally.

[DoubleF]

Are we talking about the Calder cup or Calder memorial trophy? I think he has a chance at both.

[GioforPM]

Calder quite often =/= good team play. Often times a Calder winner means the team was crappy (therefore drafted really high) and remains a few years away. Or that the team is so bad a rookie gets more ice time than usual.

In this case, who knows - if he gets enough offensive ice time does that mean that other forwards have dropped off (bad)? Or that he's a fit with some good established players (good)?

[polak]

Bennett and Tkachuk click and I guess he could have a big season but expecting a player one year removed from the draft to make the team and then win the calder is pretty wild.

He was a consensus top 5 pick though so it's definitely in the realm of possibility. If he truly lights up the league that most likely means that him and Bennett really took off which mean we probably have two scoring lines and a great 3rd line with Backlund in his proper position. If the goaltending holds up and all that comes true I'd say we would be legitimate contenders and probably win the division.

Fingers crossed but I'm not holding my breath

[Mass_nerder]

Yeah, I see Tkachuck around 30 points if he sticks around.
He might have NHL size, but I'm sure it'll take a while to adjust to the much higher tempo.
I'm sure at some point he'll be putting up 70+ point seasons, but not this season.
I think we'll end up around 90-95 points, and he may help with that, but I don't think he'll be the deciding factor.

[belsarius]

Tkachuk gets 65 points playing on the first line with Bennett but the Flames end up with 64pts and last overall because Money and Jonny sit out all season without a contract.

[Winsor_Pilates]

What's the all time NHL rookie record? He'll beat that by 1

[Drak]

How much wood could a wood Tkachuk chuck?

[Moneyhands23]

This thread is Terrible!

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Tkachuk gets 65 points playing on the first line with Bennett but the Flames end up with 64pts and last overall because Money and Jonny sit out all season without a contract.

I don't have it available to use, but this post needs an Unthanks.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

This thread is Terrible!

Edmonton Terrible or Vancouver Terrible? Need a comparison.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Madrox

7 top 6 forwards? Who? That sounds insanely optimistic to me. The only guys we have that are without question top 6 forwards are Monahan and Gaudreau. Brouwer, Frolik, Backlund, and Bennett would be better described as middle 6 forwards, they're all on the cusp of 2/3 in terms of their production, but I would call 45 points the low end of what should be a second line guy. Brouwer and Frolik both are below that mark for 3 years running, Backlund's only passed it for the first time this year, and Bennett's never hit that (although I expect him to this year). Basically, you're calling for all of those guys to have career years, and that seems pretty unlikely to happen.

45 points low end for a second line player?? How many second liners are putting up 50 points? I can't imagine it's that many

[Hot_Flatus]

Tkachuk isn't winning the calder even if he sticks around all year (which I really don't think will happen this year). Bad teams like the Leafs, Oilers and even Jets to an extent will be playing their rookies big minutes in key situations all year long.

I'd expect a Bennet/Monohan type first year out of Tkachuk as an absolute top end and probably closer to 30 points as being more realistic if he somehow forces the issue. The most pressing issue would be him rounding out his play away from the puck and skating so he's ready to really make a contribution the following year when the Flames should be on the verge of competing again.

[OmegaV4]

This is a silly question:

The Flames go 82-0, and fail to conceed a single goal or draw a single penalty. All of the goals will be on penalty shots as well.