07-08-2016, 05:12 PM
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#41
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by thymebalm
...John and and Sohn...
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Awesome.
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07-08-2016, 05:14 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fort St. John, BC
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Been saying it all along:
6.5 x 8 for the both of them. Monahan gets a little more, Johnny takes a little less. Identical contracts just like they wanted. Everyone's happy
Between Barkov, MacKinnon, Forsberg and Scheifele, it's becoming more and more obvious
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07-08-2016, 05:20 PM
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#43
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Not cheering for losses
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doctajones428
Been saying it all along:
6.5 x 8 for the both of them. Monahan gets a little more, Johnny takes a little less. Identical contracts just like they wanted. Everyone's happy
Between Barkov, MacKinnon, Forsberg and Scheifele, it's becoming more and more obvious
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People keep saying this, but I don't think I understand. Why would Gaudreau take less so that Monahan can have more? Is Gaudreau going to gift Monahan literally millions of dollars just because he's a good guy? I don't think "splitting the difference" really makes sense. Either I'm missing something, or there's no way it's happening. Guess we'll see soon.
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07-08-2016, 05:26 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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I think we need a hero chart comparing Monahan to Gaudreau
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07-08-2016, 05:49 PM
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#45
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Awesome.
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heh. :P
the extra 'and' in there makes it, doesn't it?
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07-08-2016, 06:20 PM
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#46
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by sun
People keep saying this, but I don't think I understand. Why would Gaudreau take less so that Monahan can have more? Is Gaudreau going to gift Monahan literally millions of dollars just because he's a good guy? I don't think "splitting the difference" really makes sense. Either I'm missing something, or there's no way it's happening. Guess we'll see soon.
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I don't see it either. I expect Gaudreau to be rougly a million more than Monahan.
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07-08-2016, 07:08 PM
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#47
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fort St. John, BC
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Originally Posted by sun
People keep saying this, but I don't think I understand. Why would Gaudreau take less so that Monahan can have more? Is Gaudreau going to gift Monahan literally millions of dollars just because he's a good guy? I don't think "splitting the difference" really makes sense. Either I'm missing something, or there's no way it's happening. Guess we'll see soon.
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He would be gifting him a small fraction of his money so they can have identical contracts like THEY wanted. These two have stated several times they absolute love playing together and were willing and wanting to take identical contracts to make it happen for as long as possible. Simple. The end.
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07-08-2016, 07:35 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doctajones428
He would be gifting him a small fraction of his money so they can have identical contracts like THEY wanted. These two have stated several times they absolute love playing together and were willing and wanting to take identical contracts to make it happen for as long as possible. Simple. The end.
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In a perfect world that would be what happens. My guess is Mono agent has heard that they want identical contracts and feels that the identical contracts should be going off of Johnny hockey's #. Not Johnny giving some money back, but rather giving Johnny all his money that he is entitled to and then give Monahan the same. This is just my opinion considering who Monahan's agent is.
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07-08-2016, 07:36 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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I guess it would be advantageous for the Flames to have Monahan's deal expire at the same time as Mackinnon and other comparables right? An increased supply in the market should help the Flames retain him I would think assuming they remain comparables in 7 years...
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07-08-2016, 07:40 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Not cheering for losses
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doctajones428
He would be gifting him a small fraction of his money so they can have identical contracts like THEY wanted. These two have stated several times they absolute love playing together and were willing and wanting to take identical contracts to make it happen for as long as possible. Simple. The end.
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8 years x $1-2 million is a small fraction? If Gaudreau takes a discount, why shouldn't Monahan? I think they'll both be paid what they're worth, and Gaudreau is worth more.
I admitted that I might be missing something, when/where did they say several times that they wanted identical contracts? Kane/Toews did it, I guess, but I would argue their values are closer than Gaudreau/Monahan.
You might see it as a certainty, simple, the end, but I don't.
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07-08-2016, 08:25 PM
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#51
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Glad to see Monahan's comparables coming in at pretty reasonable AAVs.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Monahan and Gaudreau sign for the same AAV, but Gaudreau take a shorter contract - eg. Monahan @ $6.25M x 8 years and Gaudreau @ $6.25M x 6 years - otherwise I would think $7M+ x 7 or $7.5M+ x 8 is more likely for Gaudreau if he is going to sign for longer.
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07-08-2016, 08:33 PM
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Had an idea!
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Barkov, MacKinnon, Forsberg, Monahan and Scheifele are all going to make less than Lucic, and yet all of them are pillars to start building a team around, and Lucic isn't. What has this world come too?
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07-08-2016, 08:48 PM
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#53
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First Line Centre
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But Lucic was signed by the coilers, that speaks for itself.
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07-08-2016, 09:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Azure
Barkov, MacKinnon, Forsberg, Monahan and Scheifele are all going to make less than Lucic, and yet all of them are pillars to start building a team around, and Lucic isn't. What has this world come too?
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RFA vs UFA.
The difference is always that huge.
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07-08-2016, 11:11 PM
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Franchise Player
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Gaudreau was 6th in NHL scoring his second year in the league...his value is certainly higher and he will be getting a bigger contract trust me
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07-09-2016, 01:44 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
RFA vs UFA.
The difference is always that huge.
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Because someone is saying or agreeing that UFA value is higher. These players are at their highest value from age 22 to roughly age 30. After that they should be paid less not more.
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07-09-2016, 02:26 PM
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#57
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Originally Posted by Azure
Because someone is saying or agreeing that UFA value is higher. These players are at their highest value from age 22 to roughly age 30. After that they should be paid less not more.
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The market dictates their value, not the physical reality of ageing. I see what you're saying though, it would make more sense. However, for it to truly work I think you would have to scrap the draft and unrestricted free agency.
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07-09-2016, 02:29 PM
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#58
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Had an idea!
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Or the teams stop letting themselves get caught up in a bidding war that only results in the UFAs getting more than what they are worth, and contracts having to be bought out.
It will only get worse too. Cap recapture penalties are just going to start now.
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07-09-2016, 04:46 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Azure
Barkov, MacKinnon, Forsberg, Monahan and Scheifele are all going to make less than Lucic, and yet all of them are pillars to start building a team around, and Lucic isn't. What has this world come too?
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Barkov is the only one of those players who signed for less than Lucic (with Monahan's contract still pending, but I doubt it will be less than $6 million AAV).
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07-09-2016, 06:43 PM
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#60
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Australia
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I think Johnny will be chasing something like 8x8. Would be very surprised to see anything under 7.
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