Ben Bishop vs Marc-André Fleury

[calgaryred]

Id get neither and sign Reimer

[Par]

Originally Posted by devo22

starting July 1st you can.

Thanks, never knew that you could do that. I think the Andersen trade kind of messed things, now that trade will be used as a measuring stick, if the cost is too much just go with Reimer.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Simply because you're only getting one year of Bishop before he can walk. In any other situation, where he's under contract for multiple years, he's obviously cost more.

It's still one year of a Vezina type goaltender under contract. Anderson might have been RFA, but they still had to sign him to an extension. He could have just as easily sat out and not even played this year. ( granted that is a bit of a long shot exaguration to make my point).

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so he had no pressure, played half the games, never a starter

It's hard for Reimer to play 60 games until he plays 60 games, isn't it?

His numbers tell us in the games he has played (and he has played a lot of games... more than the likes of Talbot who the Oilers traded for last year at the time) that he has been better than Fleury. He can handle an increased workload.

[Hackey]

Bishop is the better goalie and the guy I would want if it was between the two. That being said I would not give up anything substantial for him. High cap hit. UFA in a year. Potential injury or pad issues which might be not as big of a concern but adds to the reason I think paying anything significant is risky. Fleury is locked up but again wouldn't pay much for him. Actually think his 3 years left is more of a hindrance than a benefit. All comes down to price and I do not think we should give up much for either. Would prefer going the Reimer route if neither comes cheap. 6 months from now a much better option could come along. Goalies always come up for grabs so I'd rather be patient than make a bad move that handcuffs us or causes us to unnecessarily lose assets.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's hard for Reimer to play 60 games until he plays 60 games, isn't it?

His numbers tell us in the games he has played (and he has played a lot of games... more than the likes of Talbot who the Oilers traded for last year at the time) that he has been better than Fleury. He can handle an increased workload.

Maybe or maybe he becomes nothing more than a Ramo type goaltender when given more games. He has had chances in the past to take the ball and run and has failed.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Maybe or maybe he becomes nothing more than a Ramo type goaltender when given more games. He has had chances in the past to take the ball and run and has failed.

That never happened to Ramo.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

That never happened to Ramo.

It happened to Reimer in TO. He was given the chance to be the full time starter a couple of times and failed.

[Finger Cookin]

Fleury has veteran smarts and wily moves, but I think Bishop's reach advantage will be too much to overcome. Bishop in the 7th round by TKO.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

It happened to Reimer in TO. He was given the chance to be the full time starter a couple of times and failed.

Did he fail, or did the Leafs fail?

That team has been garbage for a decade. It's not on Reimer.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Did he fail, or did the Leafs fail?

That team has been garbage for a decade. It's not on Reimer.

He was also the full time starter - and make 40 appearances in the playoffs and regular season in the shortened lockout season.

Led them to their only playoff appearance in a long time and a .924 save percentage.

Sure if the price for Bishop is low then you look at him since he is the best of the bunch by far IMO but if not (and IMO Tampa has no reason to sell him for cheap) then Reimer = Fleury but there is no cost to acquire Reimer and he is much younger.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Did he fail, or did the Leafs fail?

That team has been garbage for a decade. It's not on Reimer.

???? Couldnt you then apply that to any member of TO over the years? Dion didn't fail, team did. Kessel didn't fail, team did. Bozak didn't fail, team did. Bernier didn't fail, team did. ect..........

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

with all of the negative connotations polls are receiving around here recently.

Which was entirely because of you

[bax]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He's been better than Fleury the last two years. Younger. Costs nothing to acquire.

Yeah except Reimer has played 67 games over that span and Fleury has played 122.

[codynw]

Honestly I'm starting to lean more towards Reimer over any of the goalies that might realistically be available. Unless Bishop comes cheap, and signs a reasonable extension.

[GioforPM]

I prefer Bishop as a goalie over MAF (or Reimer). For some reason his two years on MAF seem like a lot more. Pad changes don't concern me much. I am concerned about his injury history, though, and it makes me nervous.

[StrykerSteve]

Reimer highlights - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-CWcR09ZDE

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by bax

Yeah except Reimer has played 67 games over that span and Fleury has played 122.

And Cam Talbot had a total of 57 games played (at almost the same age as Reimer was) in the NHL when the Oilers traded for him.

It's about not overpaying when similar assets can be had for free in free agency.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

And Cam Talbot had a total of 57 games played (at almost the same age as Reimer was) in the NHL when the Oilers traded for him.

It's about not overpaying when similar assets can be had for free in free agency.

Yeah I get that, but I still prefer Fleury to Reimer.

Also, I don't think Talbot is a good comparison. He didn't get into the NHL until 2013 and scouts started to take notice of his talent.

Reimer has been playing full time in the NHL since 2010 and still hasn't cemented himself as a consistent starter. Might be possible, but I would rather not take that risk.