[CP Story] The Treliving Goalie "Process"

[SofaProfessor]

I said acquisition cost was most important. I'd sooner see a Ramo/Ortio tandem than see a young, core player go the other way to get an established vet.

[Vulcan]

I voted acquisition cost. I looked at it this way.
Acquisition cost is a vote for Reimer
Cap hit is a vote for Fleury (more proven and more expensive than Reimer but not bad for three years)
Skill is a vote Bishop (you didn't include him but he could be available but cost and only on a one more year contract makes him iffy)

[Enoch Root]

how is cap hit a vote for Fleury (at $5.75M per)?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

how is cap hit a vote for Fleury (at $5.75M per)?

More proven than Reimer but lower cap than Bishop if we can re-sign Bishop. Bishop could also want a long term contract. Reimer could also want say 5 years. Three years seems about right for our situation as well.

[activeStick]

One category that is missing from your guess is character which based on all acquisitions (including the new coach) is high on his list.

He'll talk to people and players who've played with them to build a profile around the kind of person he is. How does he manage set backs (e.g. blowouts, bad games, etc.)? What's he like on the room? Quiet and let's his play speak for itself? Type A and speaks up in the room during intermissions? How responsive is he to feedback suggesting fundamental changes to his style? How supportive is he of his back up when given a string of games? How does he respond? There's observable reactions that can't be hidden when a "number one" is relegated to back up duties for a stretch (see Hiller).

Treliving always harps on "fit" (along with "process") so I'd imagine these sort of details that help him build a profile of the guy's character are high up there, closely following skill.

[Poe969]

They have to have some skill but they don't have to be the best, the best goalie rarely wins the cup. They just have to be good enough with the ability to get hot. If you mortgage the future to get the best goalie, you won't have the best team in front of them. Even if you have the best goalie, like price, if he goes down then the team is screwed unless there is a good enough team to make up for it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

All of the above. Like it or not, there is a blend of skill, acquisition cost and cap hit that have to be taken into consideration. They need a guy that can start 40-50 games, post a .910 S% or better, and cost no more than $5M a season over the next three years.

[Jacks]

Offer Reimer 4M x 2 years, if he wants more then look elsewhere. From all indications it's a buyers market right now and we aren't winning the cup next year barring a miracle.

[gvitaly]

The highest rated parameter for me for a goalie is Wins! Unfortunately, as many here said it is a combination of all three.

[Gaskal]

Wonder how much a year of Bishop would cost. Would be a good option if it's not that high. He'd likely just walk on the Lightning anyway, with Vasilevsky coming into his own. Gives Gillies a full year in the pros to at least see how he does after the surgery, and goalies will be dirt-cheap then because of the impending expansion draft if Bishop decides to test out UFA waters.

[Demetric]

Great read

Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk

[Roof-Daddy]

Interesting point on Andersen, about Anaheim potentially taking any offer from the Flames to TOR to see if they will match. Seems very plausible, and I also agree that wouldn't be the worst thing for Calgary in the end, as it would indeed leave them as the only team legitimately looking for a starter next season.

In the end I'm comfortable BT will get us a good goalie at a decent price.

[Sample00]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Wonder how much a year of Bishop would cost. Would be a good option if it's not that high. He'd likely just walk on the Lightning anyway, with Vasilevsky coming into his own. Gives Gillies a full year in the pros to at least see how he does after the surgery, and goalies will be dirt-cheap then because of the impending expansion draft if Bishop decides to test out UFA waters.

Bingo, I noticed that Bishop wasnt on your list. Thoughts?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by New Era

All of the above. Like it or not, there is a blend of skill, acquisition cost and cap hit that have to be taken into consideration. They need a guy that can start 40-50 games, post a .910 S% or better, and cost no more than $5M a season over the next three years.

Among goalies who started more than 40 games, Frederick Andersen's .919 was 15th. Flames need goaltending in top half of league, not bottom.
Needs to be over .920

[edslunch]

The biggest question mark in my mind is how good is Reimer. He's been ok on crappy Leaf teams. Some have suggested his advanced stats are quite good. He is certainly the most available goalie - if the Flames braintrust think there's something there it might be an easy decision for them.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So you mean playing backup on another team? As of the last game played by the Flames, clearly you are not talking about Calgary.

Yes, playing backup on another team. I heard he loved his time in SJ, maybe he is content with playing second fiddle there.

[ricardodw]

1) What happened with the process last year? How did the 1 yr deal with Ramo end up to be the best option.... with Ortio already signed to a one-way deal?

2) Where does long term cap management enter the process? Hamilton may have fit the fill the need part of the process but be cost the potential of 3 assets that had the potential of playing in the NHL for up to 9 years at ELC.

3) Does the expected NHL arrival of Gillies and/or McDonald and/or Ortio have impact on the process? How long of a term will be required to sign Riemer for instance, and will he be in the top 2 goalies in the Flames organization in 3 years? Does Trevling ignore this as if things don't work out in the next 2 years he will not be the Flames GM to handle year 3 of this contract?

4) You have factored in the equipment change but should their the skill adjustment for playing behind a soft defensive team. The Flames top-3 defense is locked in for 4 years. Are there some goalies who play to a high level facing more great scoring chances (Grant Fuhr example) and what is the mental toughness/weakness of a goalie playing behind a softer defense.

[Matty81]

The underlying exercise is still interesting but the goalie ratings are pretty subjective. Subban is way underrated imo... He was a bit off last year but has a way better track record than korpisalo whose short stint in the nhl last year was hamburgular-esque, save percentage totally out of line with career averages.

[Vinny01]

Skill.

If we are looking at acquisition cost then we would sign Reimer or Ramo.

The Flames need a good to great goalie if they are making the playoffs and that is the goal of the organization and the hope for the fans

[FlamesAddiction]

I said skill, but everything has to be considered. If you are getting top notch skill, then things like acquisition cost and cap hit can be justified.

Getting a good deal on cap hit or acquisition cost, but for mediocre skill is pointless IMO, unless we are just talking about the back-up (or you are intentionally tanking). Nowadays, it seems like a lot of teams like to have the 1a/1b system though.