[News] Blackhawks will have $3.07 million in bonus overages for next season

[GreenLantern]

Hawks will figure it out and remain competitive, they always do. I am sure they have a plan that goes beyond the season so they are prepared for this. Dumping Bickell's contract was a great first step.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Yanda

I see Hossa taking the Chris Pronger route.

Then I would hope other GMs would scream cap circumvention, because the Hawks' 3 Cups are due, in extremely large part, to artificially reduced AAV deals like Hossa and Keith.

These deals need to have repercussions and penalties.

[IgiTang]

Agrees with the above. At some point the Hawks need to suffer a bit. The last Dynasty in the last 20+ years in the NHL. I have zero sympathy for them and look forward to the "creativity" Bowman will pull off to keep his team elite.

[thefoss1957]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Seabrook left unprotected for the expansion draft...Hossa was dropped to the 3rd line, late last year, and barring Lombardi like cap shenanigans (I still feel that there ended up being no grounds for Richards' buyout) or creative use of LTIR (like Pronger) that Hossa will NOT be moved...I think that he can be effective in a Defensive line role Desjardin/Kruger/Hossa wouldn't be a bad line...the punitive cap penalties, IMO, really couldn't stand up to a legal challenge, should the NHL try to apply it, in the case of Hossa's retirement, though...His contract was perfectly allowed under NHL rules at the time of its signing, and ex-post facto rule changes to punish those sorts of contracts would, IMO, be difficult to enforce if challenged. I feel, though, that the 'Hawks will try to keep him happy and playing for as long as they can.

As far as Crawford cap dump trade rumors, they have been around since he signed the new contract...I was, frankly, surprised when the 'Hawks moved Raanta, when they did...Raanta/Darling were a cost controlled tandem that had proven effective in the 'Hawks system...I am not knocking CC, but, a $6M goaltender seems more of a luxury that a $10.5M Ross trophy winner, or a $10.5M #1C/Captain.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Then I would hope other GMs would scream cap circumvention, because the Hawks' 3 Cups are due, in extremely large part, to artificially reduced AAV deals like Hossa and Keith.

These deals need to have repercussions and penalties.

Why? At the time the contract was signed, teams could do that. Other teams could have done it as well.


If he retires, why is there a recapture penalty?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Why? At the time the contract was signed, teams could do that. Other teams could have done it as well.


If he retires, why is there a recapture penalty?

... It's in the CBA. If he retires, of course there is a recapture penalty.

The problem arises when instead the Hawks claim Hossa is "injured" and retires to LTIR for the rest of the contract, and thus the Hawks don't get penalized. That is pure cap circumvention.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Yanda

I see Hossa taking the Chris Pronger route.

You can't just choose to go on LTIR, league doctors have to say you are legitimately injured.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Then I would hope other GMs would scream cap circumvention, because the Hawks' 3 Cups are due, in extremely large part, to artificially reduced AAV deals like Hossa and Keith.

These deals need to have repercussions and penalties.

He cannot go on LTIR unless he is legitimately injured (the league has doctors to determine if it is legitimate) and there should be no repercussions for losing a player to injury.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Patrick Kane was the only player in the league to break 100 points this season, at a time when it has never been harder to score in the NHL.

Even considering two-way play, Kane is a lot better than Toews.

Toews against NHL centers 15/16

Points - 26th
PPG - 32nd
TOI - 21st
FO% - 17th
Salarie, $13.8m 1st

He leads in one department

[King Theo]

Could they not buy out Hossa contract. Yea they will take a cap hit for the next 10 years, but it is a hell of a lot better than having him retire.
The last 5 years are easy enough to handle.
2016-17 $1,808,333
2017-18 $4,808,333
2018-19 $4,808,333
2019-20 $4,808,333
2020-21 $4,808,333
2021-22 $533,333
2022-23 $533,333
2023-24 $533,333
2024-25 $533,333
2025-26 $533,333

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Locke

I wouldnt be too hasty in tooting that horn, hes 37 right now and he still had an excellent and effective playoffs.

The Hossa deal on the surface of it looks insane, but sometimes, every now and then, one of those insane deals pays off and it just might be him.

I don't think the word might is appropriate here. The Hawks won 3 Stanley Cups while they saved 2 or 3 million on Hossa's(and Keith's) cap hits.

Also, there's no way Hossa retires during this contract. We've already seen the blueprint. He will end his career on LTIR

[sureLoss]

What will be interesting next year is if Panarin hits all his $2.575 million in bonuses again causing another overage and is a RFA needing a huge raise from his ELC.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

What will be interesting next year is if Panarin hits all his $2.575 million in bonuses again causing another overage and is a RFA needing a huge raise from his ELC.

After reading your post I decided to look a bit deeper into the Hawks contracts and they have no bigger contracts expiring in the summer of 2017 either. In addition to Panarin the only contracts expiring next summer are Panik (RFA), Desjardins (UFA), Gustafsson (RFA), Rundblad (RFA) and Darling (UFA). Rundblad is the highest paid of them at $1,050,000. It looks like they will need to move Shaw this summer and then next summer one or more of Kruger, Anisimov and Hossa.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

It wouldn't surprise me to see Seabrook left unprotected for the expansion draft...

You think Seabrook would waive his NMC to be exposed for the expansion draft?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

You think Seabrook would waive his NMC to be exposed for the expansion draft?

I think it would be foolish for the Hawks to ask him. But I can see them asking Hossa, whether or not he agrees to waive is a whole other story.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by T@T

Toews against NHL centers 15/16

Points - 26th
PPG - 32nd
TOI - 21st
FO% - 17th
Salarie, $13.8m 1st

He leads in one department

How does he rank with respect to captaining Stanley Cup champions?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think it would be foolish for the Hawks to ask him. But I can see them asking Hossa, whether or not he agrees to waive is a whole other story.

But if he were exposed and taken in the expansion draft, wouldn't the Hawks then be subject to huge recapture penalties?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But if he were exposed and taken in the expansion draft, wouldn't the Hawks then be subject to huge recapture penalties?

they are subject to the recapture penalties if he retires, no matter where he plays aren't they?

[Roof-Daddy]

If they trade Hossa or he is taken in an expansion draft, and he retires early, they and the the team that acquires him would be subjected to the recapture penalties.

Pretty much makes him unmoveable IMO, but the Panthers did trade for Luongo despite the potential of cap recapture penalties with his contract.

[CliffFletcher]

Meh, I don't think anybody expected the Hawks to remain elite forever. Not even the Hawks. Like most contenders, they made some deals for short-term gain and keeping the core together at the expense of long-term cap pain. Unlike other contenders who make those trade-offs, it paid off for the Hawks with three Cups. And they'll still have a good - though probably not great - team for the next five seasons.

The NHL is a cyclical league. Not sure how the Hawks could have really handled this much better and still have their three Cups.