How would you feel if the Flames signed Carlyle?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

New regime? You mean Peter Horachek?

Again, to be coaching a "non-possession" style because your team doesn't "allow" for possession hockey is completely flawed logic. Any group of players would be better off playing possession structure, regardless of the type of players they are. There is no excuse to not believe in possession hockey.

It's why Hartley only had one successful season in 4 years with the Flames.

To me to play a possession game means a team that can win board battles and is able to cycle the puck in the offensive zone. These are two traits the Flames haven't been consistently able to do because they don't have the horses or are using the ones they do have wrong. I expect the new coach to at least start trying to cycle the puck. It isn't like, okay now we're going to play a possession game when they aren't capable of doing so unless you want to return to Brent Sutter's ways.

[Bingo]

Anyone thinking Burke is running the show isn't noticing what's going on behind the scenes, comments etc.

Burke in 24 months has gone from the lamp post quote about analytics to using the term "home plate" goaltender last week, and possession every time he opens his mouth.

I think Treliving has swayed his boss 1000% more than his boss is swaying him.

[saillias]

Perhaps join Pinder in jumping into traffic.

Or just take a real long break from Flames fandom.

[Resolute 14]

Carlyle would take this team backwards. Not a good fit at all.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Burke in 24 months has gone from the lamp post quote about analytics to using the term "home plate" goaltender last week, and possession every time he opens his mouth.

Unfortunately after he opens his mouth to say those things he tends to follow-up with things of the "We'll be playing Bollig more!" variety. Some mixed messaging there.

As to the OP... if the poll was who would you rather have coaching this team:

A: Randy Carlyle
B: A Potato

I would vote for the Potato.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I have never once had this impression in Burke's time here.

Exactly, neither have I.

Whereby if Carlyle is hired (and citing Bingo's email above on how it goes against some of the comments already made about direction) - it will be the first time the idea might creep in.

Hypothetical at this point of course...

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Anyone thinking Burke is running the show isn't noticing what's going on behind the scenes, comments etc.

Burke in 24 months has gone from the lamp post quote about analytics to using the term "home plate" goaltender last week, and possession every time he opens his mouth.

I think Treliving has swayed his boss 1000% more than his boss is swaying him.

IMO that conceivable sway changes if they hire Carlyle wouldn't you say?

[jlh2640]

Best candidate left

[nik-]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Best candidate left

I think you're equating "most experienced" with "best" and that's not necessarily true.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

IMO that conceivable sway changes if they hire Carlyle wouldn't you say?

I'm of two schools of thought on that one.

a) they know what they're doing. how can I from a distance say I'd make the better decision than two hockey men? There is more going on here.

b) uh oh

[Bingo]

I've liked the first time coach (or 2nd time like Boucher in Ottawa) with an experienced bench coach idea from the beginning.

I can't stand Crawford as a human being so I didn't want that guy, but I do like what Carlyle has done managing a bench and people.

I think adding that tempers the fear of a young coach getting over his head and making mistakes issue.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I've liked the first time coach (or 2nd time like Boucher in Ottawa) with an experienced bench coach idea from the beginning.

I can't stand Crawford as a human being so I didn't want that guy, but I do like what Carlyle has done managing a bench and people.

I think adding that tempers the fear of a young coach getting over his head and making mistakes issue.

If they hire Green and then Carlyle to be his associate then I'm not only on board, I'm very excited.

[SofaProfessor]

I said indifferent. Carlyle isn't a bad coach... He isn't a good coach either. If we want to see our beloved Flames do better than a quick second round exit last May then he's not the guy to do it. I also don't think he would lead the team into an Oilers-esque period of suckage, either. It would be very... Meh.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I've liked the first time coach (or 2nd time like Boucher in Ottawa) with an experienced bench coach idea from the beginning.

I wouldn't want it to be Carlyle.

A: I'd want the Head Coach to pick his own assistents/associates,
B: I wouldn't pick the PoHO homeboy if I were said head coach

[Greybeard]

Tre needs his guy not Burke's. This would be a huge step backwards.

[killer_carlson]

I'd be good with it. I think he knows how to handle a hockey market and to shield the players when they need it. He also knows how to crack the whip when that happens as well.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Burke in 24 months has gone from the lamp post quote about analytics to using the term "home plate" goaltender last week, and possession every time he opens his mouth.

but someone who went to the STH meetings said that he trotted out the drunk lamp post thing again. even crazier, apparently people laughed like it was the first time they'd ever heard it, despite the fact that he's said it every single year since that one time he went to the Sloan analytics conference. it's become his own personal catch phrase that the audience clamors to hear, in the vein of Seinfeld's "no soup for you!" and Bart's "I didn't do it".

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

To me to play a possession game means a team that can win board battles and is able to cycle the puck in the offensive zone. These are two traits the Flames haven't been consistently able to do because they don't have the horses or are using the ones they do have wrong. I expect the new coach to at least start trying to cycle the puck. It isn't like, okay now we're going to play a possession game when they aren't capable of doing so unless you want to return to Brent Sutter's ways.

So why wasn't Carlyle able to do this during his latter years in Anaheim?

Possession is possession. Big teams and small teams can play it.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

but someone who went to the STH meetings said that he trotted out the drunk lamp post thing again. even crazier, apparently people laughed like it was the first time they'd ever heard it, despite the fact that he's said it every single year since that one time he went to the Sloan analytics conference. it's become his own personal catch phrase that the audience clamors to hear, in the vein of Seinfeld's "no soup for you!" and Bart's "I didn't do it".

The lamppost quip was trotted out at the session I attended, and yes, plenty laughed like it was the first time they had ever heard it. Strange.

I am glad we have Burke. Despite the persona he likes to portray (opinionated and gruff), I think he is a very smart, experienced hockey guy. He is excellent with the media and fans, and him doing this PR type stuff allows BT to do the real work. Treliving isn't as polished in front of the camera, and I sense he is perfectly happy letting Burke do this stuff.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There is no surprise that Babcock coached a much much worse Leafs roster to much better possession numbers.

I wouldn't want Carlyle involved in this organization in any capacity.

Babcock coached them to last place overall