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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wouldn't believe a single word about the draft that comes out of any NHL execs mouth right now.

Especially this:

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

... On why he wears an untied tie, why not just go without? "You must have me confused with someone who cares about your opinion".

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At least we can assume Juolevi is above Chychrun/Sergachyev among the Dmen group.

Certainly. I still think Juolevi is redundant on the Flames. Not because he is no good but the Flames have ample players in a similar style. Brodie, Anderssen, Kylington, Wotherspoon, Hickey and Hamilton are all the same kind of two way guys the Flames have an abundance of. Whereas Segachev has a bit more grit in his game. I'd have figured he would have been higher on the Flames Totem pole. Shows what I know.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Certainly. I still think Juolevi is redundant on the Flames. Not because he is no good but the Flames have ample players in a similar style. Brodie, Anderssen, Kylington, Wotherspoon, Hickey and Hamilton are all the same kind of two way guys the Flames have an abundance of.

Anderssen, Kylington, Wotherspoon, and Hickey haven't panned out yet at the NHL level. It's possible that none of them will.

If you think Juolevi projects to have the best overall NHL skill set, you pick Juolevi. Later on, if you wind up with too many of the same kind of defenceman, you trade one of them to fill whatever hole your team has at that point. There's always a market for good two-way defencemen.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At least we can assume Juolevi is above Chychrun/Sergachyev among the Dmen group.

I wouldn't assume that at all. There's a good chance Burke and Treliving will float names out to see if anyone bites. He may be telling the truth........but I wouldn't put a lot of money on it.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Certainly. I still think Juolevi is redundant on the Flames. Not because he is no good but the Flames have ample players in a similar style. Brodie, Anderssen, Kylington, Wotherspoon, Hickey and Hamilton are all the same kind of two way guys the Flames have an abundance of. Whereas Segachev has a bit more grit in his game. I'd have figured he would have been higher on the Flames Totem pole. Shows what I know.

If you believe that the Flames draft BPA regardless of need, then I can see them indeed having Juolevi higher than the other two. I do think you are right in that organizationally, Sergachev should be viewed more valuable (and Chychrun, as he also does play that physical game).

Comes down to who the Flames feel will end up having the better career. Maybe they feel Juolevi - while being somewhat like many of the existing prospects and players in the organization - ends up as a #1 or #2 guy, while Sergachev (and possibly Chychrun) end up as #2 or #3 guys, even though they are quite different.

I always think BPA because of value. The biggest way to add value to the team is by drafting well.

[Ace]

If they are spending a lot of time on Calgary Next, could somebody ask tomorrow 'why they released Calgary Next with such poor concept drawings'?

Okay that's more of a statement, but maybe you could flare it into a question

[Caged Great]

Considering the Flames are wanting to be more black and blue, you can cross off Juolevi from the list. He is similarly physical as J-Bo was. If they want some muscle from the d-men, either Sergachev, Chychrun, or McAvoy would make more sense.

I doubt that Nylander, Jost, or Keller is on their list either because of that.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Ace

If they are spending a lot of time on Calgary Next, could somebody ask tomorrow 'why they released Calgary Next with such poor concept drawings'?

Okay that's more of a statement, but maybe you could flare it into a question

If some does ask that I hope the response is to appease the whiners in the fan base who were demanding updates, but they totally missed the boat in realizing those same fans were just going to then whine about the quality of the update and that it wasn't a fully baked concept yet, so they likely shouldn't have bothered saying anything until ground broke.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Considering the Flames are wanting to be more black and blue, you can cross off Juolevi from the list. He is similarly physical as J-Bo was. If they want some muscle from the d-men, either Sergachev, Chychrun, or McAvoy would make more sense.

I doubt that Nylander, Jost, or Keller is on their list either because of that.

I think if Bouwmeester is the best player available at 6th overall you draft him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Considering the Flames are wanting to be more black and blue, you can cross off Juolevi from the list. He is similarly physical as J-Bo was. If they want some muscle from the d-men, either Sergachev, Chychrun, or McAvoy would make more sense.

I doubt that Nylander, Jost, or Keller is on their list either because of that.

The Flames want to be more black and blue in their bottom 6. That negates your point.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Flames want to be more black and blue in their bottom 6. That negates your point.

Did they say ONLY in their bottom 6?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by icecube

Did they say ONLY in their bottom 6?

To counter, did they also say ONLY top 6?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Considering the Flames are wanting to be more black and blue, you can cross off Juolevi from the list. He is similarly physical as J-Bo was. If they want some muscle from the d-men, either Sergachev, Chychrun, or McAvoy would make more sense.

I doubt that Nylander, Jost, or Keller is on their list either because of that.

Well it sounds like Burke really liked Nylander so the idea that the Flames have a guy like him not high on their list seems wrong.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by icecube

Did they say ONLY in their bottom 6?

Burke has stated multiple times he likes his teams to be skilled players in the top 6 and the black and blue guys in the bottom 6.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well it sounds like Burke really liked Nylander so the idea that the Flames have a guy like him not high on their list seems wrong.

Joelevi is clearly a smoke screen to try and put pressure on the Oilers and Canucks feel pressured to grab him. I have almost no doubt at this point the actual ledge of 4-6 is Tkachuk, Dubois, and Nylander, probably in that order. One of those 3 imo will be a Flame after the draft.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Joelevi is clearly a smoke screen to try and put pressure on the Oilers and Canucks feel pressured to grab him. I have almost no doubt at this point the actual ledge of 4-6 is Tkachuk, Dubois, and Nylander, probably in that order. One of those 3 imo will be a Flame after the draft.

Agreed. And it'll be Nylander. I have this hunch that the smoke screen won't work and the two teams will trade down and grab D-Men or grab Tkachuk Dubois. Or... Vancouver loves Nylander so much they leave one of the other guys for CGY. Don't see Edmonton going in on Nylander. Thats as redundant to them as Juolevi to CGY.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Anderssen, Kylington, Wotherspoon, and Hickey haven't panned out yet at the NHL level. It's possible that none of them will.

If you think Juolevi projects to have the best overall NHL skill set, you pick Juolevi. Later on, if you wind up with too many of the same kind of defenceman, you trade one of them to fill whatever hole your team has at that point. There's always a market for good two-way defencemen.

Well given the timelines and ages of the players, I think it is safe to say Any number of the Flames D prospects will be NHL ready at least two years before Juolevi. So even then it makes no sense to double down on very similar player types and find other dimensions to add to the roster.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Ace

If they are spending a lot of time on Calgary Next, could somebody ask tomorrow 'why they released Calgary Next with such poor concept drawings'?

Okay that's more of a statement, but maybe you could flare it into a question

Actually, someone did ask a similar question. I don't recall the exact wording, but something to the effect that he was disappointed that there was so much public squabbling and that back in the days of Al Duerr, (his words) nothing would be announced until things were finalized. The response from the COO, was that they wanted to make this a collaborative effort with the city and the Flames. I think it was recognized that there have been bumps in the road, but they claim to be undeterred in seeing this to realization.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Certainly. I still think Juolevi is redundant on the Flames. Not because he is no good but the Flames have ample players in a similar style. Brodie, Anderssen, Kylington, Wotherspoon, Hickey and Hamilton are all the same kind of two way guys the Flames have an abundance of. Whereas Segachev has a bit more grit in his game. I'd have figured he would have been higher on the Flames Totem pole. Shows what I know.

Your points are irrelevant. BPA is BPA. By your logic if the Pittsburgh somehow got 1st overall last year they would not have picked McDavid cause they have Crosby and Malkin as top 2 centers.

You can always trade good players fir good players. BT always says having too much of a good thing is a good problem to have

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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Don't log in for one afternoon and look at all the juicy soundbites!

Well I've long suspected it was going to be their favourite dman along with Tkachuk and Dubois in the top 6 so this doesn't seem unbelievable to me. The interesting thing is do GM's and Presidents really worry about this stuff coming out? It seems they are guarded on national TV and seem to really let it all out on local radio or for season ticket gatherings.

If Burke is to be believed then Juolevi is our favourite dman. Makes sense as the Flames have valued hockey sense a lot lately and Juolevi has the highest hockey sense of the bunch. Just such a smart and efficient puck mover.

Is he a similar style to many of our dmen and defense prospects? Yeah but he's also a higher calibre prospect than that majority of them. It's really hard to turn down d-men if you feel they have top pairing upside. Top pairing d-men are worth so much in terms of trade value.

Love that Treliving is back and the amateur scouts are meeting. Finally we get something to talk about!