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Old 04-29-2016, 11:01 AM   #41
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Also has 8 division titles in his 8 full seasons as head coach (not counting the year he was fired in Washington or hired in Anaheim).

The .659 winning percentage that is 200 games above .500 is quite impressive as well.
I imagine at the very least the Wild and Senators are calling him today straight up with offers as it's pretty rare that coaches are available with this type of long term winning percentage. He's going to be able to pick and choose here. I would love it if Treliving is kicking the tires here as IMO the Flames represent a better opportunity for him than the other two teams as with the Wild they are trying to get over the playoff hump so the head would be on, the Senators have some good players but an owner that's kind of an idiot that wants to win on a budget, and at least with the Flames there would be some patience in regards to playoff success. Regular season success is enough to fill up the Dome and playoffs and anything can happen in the playoffs.

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I thought he was going to have a stroke during that game.
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Old 04-29-2016, 11:06 AM   #43
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to me game 7's are a crapshoot at best - by then you have played that given team 6 times in about 12 nights, plus however, many times you play during the regular season - it is not like the other team is going to change their style of play in game 7 and as a coach you need to react on the fly.

I'd say game 7's losses are on the players - as I think those games are about who wants the puck a little more, who has a little more will to win.

I'd also assume that he has tried different approaches to game 7's as well.

If I was an NHL GM I'd have given him another chance - as I recall they really did not get going until December.

as an aside, this change will likely not change the Flames fortunes in disneyland
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Old 04-29-2016, 11:07 AM   #44
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There's no way McLellan is gone next year. That's ridiculous.
Really? I think he has until Christmas, and if they aren't a bubble team, he's gone.

If your top line is Hall-McDavid-Laine, you better be a team in the hunt. Hall just has to sit there and slap pucks home.
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Doesn't fix anything.

At some point they'll have to face the facts. The window is closing, the core is aging, and the GM is lost.

The Ducks might be a good team but it's looking a lot like a core with Getzlaf/Perry can't get it done.
Getzlaf/Perry/Kesler/Bieksa are signed to a lot of dollars and a lot of years and by the looks of it are rpaidly approaching their 'Best Before' dates.

Anaheim is firmly on the downswing.
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Apparently Boudreau's teams have a 91.8 PDO in game 7's.

That is hilarious.
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Getzlaf/Perry/Kesler/Bieksa are signed to a lot of dollars and a lot of years and by the looks of it are rpaidly approaching their 'Best Before' dates.

Anaheim is firmly on the downswing.
Yeah I think Boudreau has probably taken that group as far as it will go in its present state as it's not a very deep team in regards to skilled forwards. It wouldn't surprise me if the next coach really struggles under the expectations. Either way good all around for the Flames.
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Perfect. Like I said in the other thread, you can't blame players not getting up for a game 7 on the coach. If everything he did was working up until Game 7 and the players #### the bed, it's not his fault...
I would ordinarily agree, but when a coach has developed a pathology of losing Game 7s at home, there certainly is more to it than simple bad luck.

I get the rationale for wanting the Flames to hire Boudreau, but if the goal is to win a championship, they need a coach in whom they are confident can win the biggest game of the season. Boudreau has proved capable of everything else but this rather critical criterion.
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Perfect. Like I said in the other thread, you can't blame players not getting up for a game 7 on the coach. If everything he did was working up until Game 7 and the players #### the bed, it's not his fault.

We should be all over this. I doubt we will be though.
So every year it's the players, not the coach? Every year the game 7 loss happens, and the coach did everything right up until that game, but then never changes a thing to close out the series? The "Hartley's stubborn" crowd would/should be all over this.
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Didn't the players quit on him earlier this season? That's a sign that a change is coming. A GM will first support his coach but then fire him once the next occasion rises.
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So every year it's the players, not the coach? Every year the game 7 loss happens, and the coach did everything right up until that game, but then never changes a thing to close out the series? The "Hartley's stubborn" crowd would/should be all over this.
What can he do differently. He got them to game 7. It's not like he can't win elimination games, he's gone past the 1st round a few times.

Kinda dumb to count a game 7 loss in the conference final as negative and ignore winning the two elimination games before that.

And even with the game 7 criticism, he's miles ahead of Hartley who has only been in the playoffs twice since the lockout and guess what, he lost both those elimination games.

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Really? I think he has until Christmas, and if they aren't a bubble team, he's gone.

If your top line is Hall-McDavid-Laine, you better be a team in the hunt. Hall just has to sit there and slap pucks home.
It'd be beyond ridiculous to get rid of him that soon because he couldn't accomplish anything with that terrible roster.
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I think the problem is that Boudreau lets his teams get to a game 7 every single year. You will always risk elimination in a game 7. The point is to never have your team get to a point where they possibly could be eliminated. That's how championship teams often do it. Some of those teams like Pittsburgh, L.A., Chicago were always going to make it a 7 game series. But you're telling me he couldn't have avoided game 7 with teams like Nashville, Detroit, Montreal, and Philadelphia? No, there's a problem with Boudreau, he lacks a killer instinct, and obviously it filters down to his players on some level. This isn't a coincidence. He should have won a big game by accident at some point by now.
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What can he do differently. He got them to game 7. It's not like he can't win elimination games, he's gone past the 1st round a few times.

Kinda dumb to count a game 7 loss in the conference final as negative and ignore winning the two elimination games before that.

And even if with the game 7 criticism, he's miles ahead of Hartley who has only been in the playoffs twice since the lockout and guess what, he lost both those elimination games.
The point is, it's not "a game 7 loss", it's many.
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This is fine, its good to see the decline of California.

The Kings' dominance is severely in question, the Ducks are in a firm downswing due to poor management and age and the Sharks are a question mark at best, I'm not entirely certain yet that they havent just caught Lightning in a bottle.

All of this is excellent news for the Flames' current group and their window.
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This year's game 7 against Nashville could've gone Anaheim's way since Nashville was pretty much outplayed the whole game. My point is the Ducks didn't flop performance wise in this year's game 7. And it's not like the Ducks haven't ever advanced past the first round in the playoffs under Boudreau. I think this whole reputation thing is a bit overblown. There are NHL coaches who've have a much worse record.
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There are NHL coaches who've have a much worse record.
That's an understatement. There's NO NHL coach in history with a better winning percentage, minimum 500 games
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Okay, so let's actually look at this.
In game 7's, Boudreau's teams outshoot the opposition (they get 54% of the shots on average, but only 1/3 of the goals). Boudreau's goalies have posted an .867 save percentage at 5 on 5. At even strength, 5.5% of their shots went into the net.

Year over year, during the regular season, those same teams have the following even strength numbers.

2008 WSH: .915 sv%, 7.8 sh%
2009 WSH: .920 sv%, 7.6 sh%
2010 WSH: .930 sv%, 10.4 sh%
2011 WSH: .927 sv%, 7.5 sh%
2013 ANA: .930 sv%, 8.6 sh%
2014 ANA: .926 sv%, 9.8 sh%
2015 ANA: .919 sv%, 8.4 sh%
2016 ANA: .923 sv%, 6.6 sh%

Those numbers are nowhere close to what his team gives him in game 7's.

So what's the theory here? Before every game 7, Boudreau gives his pre-game speech, and forgets to tell his goalies how to stop pucks and his skaters how to score, so they don't know what to do when they get out there?
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Go git 'er dun Treliving.

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I don't blame Boudreau, I blame the players, for bringing on the karma, starting with Getzlaff for diving like they were the 2011 Canucks
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