[CP Story] Lottery Fix - April 22nd

[Bingo]

I don't think "soft" can be looked up on the internet by way of statistics.

You don't have to register a hit or take a penalty to be a player willing to take a hit to make a play, or hold your ground in front of the net in order to get a rebound and score a goal.

It's way more of a "feel" thing than something you can look up.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think "soft" can be looked up on the internet by way of statistics.

You don't have to register a hit or take a penalty to be a player willing to take a hit to make a play, or hold your ground in front of the net in order to get a rebound and score a goal.

It's way more of a "feel" thing than something you can look up.

Three words.

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[Chingas]

Where is the negative on the scale for results like this?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Are there any soft player in the NHL under your definition of soft?

Nielsen did have 8 more hits but 2 less PIM than Hudler's Lady Byng award season.

Why isn't he on anyone's list of who will be in the Flames starting line-up?

Hits and PIMs? That's it?
That's just a small slice of info that answers the question of if a player is soft.
I agree with Bingo that it is not something that is easily measurable by stats.

Here's what I do see with the player
- Plays a great 2 way game
- Often is matched up against the other teams best players
- Isn't afraid to fight for position and has a high compete level overall
- Is trusted to play in critical moments and in all situations

Nik Lindstrom wasn't a big hitter and took very few PIMs. Was he soft?
Are the Sedins soft?

Here are some guys I think are soft:
Jiri Hudler
Alex Tanguay
Phil Kessel
Justin Schultz
Mike Green
Brandon Pirri

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't think "soft" can be looked up on the internet by way of statistics.

You don't have to register a hit or take a penalty to be a player willing to take a hit to make a play, or hold your ground in front of the net in order to get a rebound and score a goal.

It's way more of a "feel" thing than something you can look up.

Who do you "feel" is softer... Bennett or Monahan?

Monahan will take a hit to make the play and hold his ground in front of the net.

Bennett will knock the other guy over and drive him into the goalie, he will force the other guy to hook/trip or cross check him.

Bennett 110 hits 37 PIM -- Monahan 38 hits 18PIM.

In this case it just happens that the hits / PIM stat point to the way you "feel" about softness........ Unless you are going to say that Bennett is softer than Monahan..

[JiriHrdina]

Does one have to be "softer". Why do things have to be so binary. They are different players and have different attributes.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Does one have to be "softer". Why do things have to be so binary. They are different players and have different attributes.

Does one have to be a better goal scorer? Why do they bother counting how many goals Monahan gets? Is that an accurate measure of their offensive attribute.

If I said that I feel that Bennett is a better scorer than Monahan over this last year would I be valid in my opinion?


Darn this binary world we live in!!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Does one have to be "softer". Why do things have to be so binary. They are different players and have different attributes.

Lets go to a hockey blog and not compare players.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Does one have to be a better goal scorer? Why do they bother counting how many goals Monahan gets? Is that an accurate measure of their offensive attribute.

If I said that I feel that Bennett is a better scorer than Monahan over this last year would I be valid in my opinion?


Darn this binary world we live in!!

If you are asking the question of who is the better goal scorer - then you can be pretty binary because there is a clear measurement of that. Number of goals scored.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Lets go to a hockey blog and not compare players.

I don't know what this means.

[Da_Chief]

Monahan has softer skin then Bennett. Brought to you by RSI - Ricardodw Skin Index

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If you are asking the question of who is the better goal scorer - then you can be pretty binary because there is a clear measurement of that. Number of goals scored.

so you really can't see that Bennett is a harder player than Monahan? By observation and backed up by hits/PIM stats. or you just prefer to have a pass/fail grade for this important attribute? or in the Flames case a gold star for attendance ?

In your opinion do the Flames have any soft players? Have they ever had any soft players?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so you really can't see that Bennett is a harder player than Monahan? By observation and backed up by hits/PIM stats. or you just prefer to have a pass/fail grade for this important attribute? or in the Flames case a gold star for attendance ?

In your opinion do the Flames have any soft players? Have they ever had any soft players?

Of course Bennett plays a more physical game. Nobody will deny that.

Are you trying to say Sean Monanhan shies away from contact? doesn't win board battles? doesn't go to the front of the net?

[Otto29]

Can I get back the last 10 minute I spent clicking the simulator. I should have stopped on the first one when it was Flames, Oilers, Sabres. At least then I could hold on to some false hope for at least a week.

I did go to 100 and Flames would pick 4th overall but its not really worth anything because the NHL will end up picking Toronto or "The place 1st rounders go to die" AKA Edmonton

[Badgers Nose]

I agree that Flames are going to trade the pick if its after 6th.

I would trade it if it were after 4th if BT can address the 1G or 1RW hole Dougie Hamilton style.

[FireGilbert]

Hurry up lottery, these results are causing me anxiety! I just keep repeating to myself: "hope for the best, expect the worst, hope for the best, expect the worst..."

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so you really can't see that Bennett is a harder player than Monahan? By observation and backed up by hits/PIM stats. or you just prefer to have a pass/fail grade for this important attribute? or in the Flames case a gold star for attendance ?

In your opinion do the Flames have any soft players? Have they ever had any soft players?

What are you on about?
I don't think the Flames have any individual players that are completely soft but collectively the team needs to be bigger and tougher to play against.
Historically the Flames have had some very soft players including Nylander, Bure, Housley, Nilsson, and Cassels to name a few.
With Hudler gone they don't have anyone like that

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wonder if the Flames may look at moving down if they end up with the 7th pick and the interest in say Nylander is higher than their own.

Names like Jost could be a great pick if they move to say 10th and pick up another solid asset in the process.

Not sure I'd be as supportive of that at 6th though.

I like this if they want Jost or the two or three defencemen left. For me Jost could be one of the best forwards in this draft.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Im too bitter to vote in any of these. For me anything with the oilers top 3 is a zero unless the flames are ahead of them.

But it has been an interesting set of stories, so want to say thanks for that.

[FBI]

Don't forget huselius for softness