[News] Penguins lose Fleury to concussion, out indefinitely

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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

Fleury, his Stanley Cup ring and 2 finals appearances laugh at you. There's only a very few current goalies that can say they played in 2 Stanley Cup finals.

Oh please. MAF has a career 906 save percentage in the post season. And the year they won the cup he was 908. Had Pittsburgh had an even average goaltender they would have won at least one more ring. He's the ondrej Pavelec of playoffs. That's just the facts.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Oh please. MAF has a career 906 save percentage in the post season. And the year they won the cup he was 908.

The year before the Pens won the cup he was 933.

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Originally Posted by Tsawwassen

The year before the Pens won the cup he was 933.

Which is why there is a misconception about how good he is. He went on to be totally useless in the playoffs after that. I'm not making up the numbers, but numbers are what they are.

Hell, in the regular season, he's only 912. That's actually below average. And this is behind a team that's been as good as Pittsburgh. That one year in the playoffs has basically allowed him to coast endlessly.

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Some are quite cynical when it comes to goaltending. The Flames need an average to good one and we're playoff bound apparently. Because our goalies are crap, we're terrible but not a terrible team.

Take the Penguins and MAF is a bad goalie but Pittsburgh is constantly playoff and success bound. The argument defies logic.

MAF is a very good goalie and established. He's won the show and constantly got them to the show.

I'd certainly hope the Flames try with a decent offer if they can snag him if he ever became available.

[Vulcan]

IIRC Sean Burke was available one summer. The argument against getting him was that he was lousy in the playoffs. I found this argument rather preposterous because the Flames hadn't reached the playoffs in maybe 10 years. This sounds about the same argument with regards to acquiring Fleury.

On the other hand I think it was that winter that we acquired Kiprusoff.

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Originally Posted by spuzzum

Some are quite cynical when it comes to goaltending. The Flames need an average to good one and we're playoff bound apparently. Because our goalies are crap, we're terrible but not a terrible team.

Take the Penguins and MAF is a bad goalie but Pittsburgh is constantly playoff and success bound. The argument defies logic.

MAF is a very good goalie and established. He's won the show and constantly got them to the show.

I'd certainly hope the Flames try with a decent offer if they can snag him if he ever became available.

This argument doesn't defy logic at all. Pittsburgh makes the playoffs and then bows out early because MAF is a terrible playoff goalie. If he was even average in the playoffs, the Pens would have won multiple cups.

Let me spell it out again: If the Flames had a good goalie, they would have made the playoffs. If the Pens had a good goalie for the last decade, they would have won multiple cups.

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

This argument doesn't defy logic at all. Pittsburgh makes the playoffs and then bows out early because MAF is a terrible playoff goalie. If he was even average in the playoffs, the Pens would have won multiple cups.

Let me spell it out again: If the Flames had a good goalie, they would have made the playoffs. If the Pens had a good goalie for the last decade, they would have won multiple cups.

I disagree. Pittsburgh has been top heavy for years and always had an average defense outside of Letang. They've relied on finesse and not enough grit in the playoffs. Excellent centers but terrible wingers or not enough depth.

MAF has had some terrible playoff years - the series against the Flyers - couldn't save a beach ball, never mind a puck. Some years, he's been outstanding.

I argue Pittsburgh has never been built properly like a Chicago or LA. They dominate with skill and depth.