Jian Ghomeshi: Guilty or Innocent?

[troutman]

The big question - Will this have a greater chilling effect on victims coming forward?

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by troutman

The big question - Will this have a greater chilling effect on victims coming forward?

So long as people see this for what it is, I don't think so. I doubt many sexual assault victims mislead investigators.

If anything, it should underscore the need for testimony to be factual and for potentially exculpatory evidence to be disclosed before getting blindsided with it.

[automaton 3]

I have no doubt he stepped over the line. The complainants were their own worst enemies here.

Looks bad on them, and also looks bad on the police and crown.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So long as people see this for what it is, I don't think so. I doubt many sexual assault victims mislead investigators.

If anything, it should underscore the need for testimony to be factual and for potentially exculpatory evidence to be disclosed before getting blindsided with it.

Yeah agreed. This should really push A)The need to step forward right away while physical evidence still remains. and B) The need to tell the full truth of your encounters, regardless of how embarrassing or illogical your actions may have been. The court won't find irrational behavior of victims to be all that odd, but lying/withholding about it years later crushes their credibility.

[Barbecue]

tough choice for the judge

Send a message to the public that embellishing police statements/testimonies is allowed, or send the message that sexual assault is okay as long as the victims are scatterbrain types

Can't blame the judge since the Crown and complaintants look terrible but it's disgusting it went this way

[dsavillian]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yeah agreed. This should really push A)The need to step forward right away while physical evidence still remains. and B) The need to tell the full truth of your encounters, regardless of how embarrassing or illogical your actions may have been. The court won't find irrational behavior of victims to be all that odd, but lying/withholding about it years later crushes their credibility.

That sums it up quite well I think.

I hope it doesn't have a "chilling" effect as troutman put it - I hope it instead encourages victims to come forward sooner.

[Ducay]

Good, the conduct of these women around testimony, disclosure, as well as the many lies, etc, made them ripe to have their credibility ripped apart.

I have no doubts the guy likely did some kind of acts with these women, but I think the aggressiveness and intent to injure has been way blown out of proportion by the media.

This is the most frank part of the ruling

Originally Posted by Judge Horkins

"The twists and turns of the complainants' evidence in this trial illustrates the need to be vigilant" in order not fall into the assumption "that sexual assault complainants are always truthful," the judge said.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Not guilty in the eyes of the justice system, but guilty in the eyes of the public. His career is still over in my opinion.

And cue Gomeshi's massive lawsuit against the cbc.

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[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

tough choice for the judge

Send a message to the public that embellishing police statements/testimonies is allowed, or send the message that sexual assault is okay as long as the victims are scatterbrain types

Can't blame the judge since the Crown and complaintants look terrible but it's disgusting it went this way

It doesn't send the message that sexual assault is OK at all. And what the complainants did is not being “scatterbrained”, it was outright lying.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

Can't blame the judge since the Crown and complaintants look terrible but it's disgusting it went this way

Sorry but how is it disgusting. The man was charged, has his name thrown threw the mud, and was exonerated of all charges. I think what the media did to him before he was convicted is atrocious. He was guilty by them long before he had his day in court, regardless of outcome. He got his charges heard, and dismissed, this is how the criminal justice system does, and should, work.

[icecube]

It's disgusting because he gets off scot-free after sexually assaulting women. But I guess some of us have no problem with the sexual assault of women and see nothing disgusting about it.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by icecube

It's disgusting because he gets off scot-free after sexually assaulting women. But I guess some of us have no problem with the sexual assault of women and see nothing disgusting about it.

Yes, that's exactly how we feel...Jesus dude.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by chedder

And cue Gomeshi's massive lawsuit against the cbc.

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I'm not sure how he could win that. They laid him off for statements he made. The Judge didn't say it is OK to beat women. Nothing has changed in that regard.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by icecube

It's disgusting because he gets off scot-free after sexually assaulting women. But I guess some of us have no problem with the sexual assault of women and see nothing disgusting about it.

Sorry how did he "get off"? He was charged, tried, and found not guilty

I'm tried of people acting like males charged with sexual assaults are automatically guilty, and if they get off, they are somehow getting away with something.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by chedder

And cue Gomeshi's massive lawsuit against the cbc.

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No. He already tried. It was withdrawn and he had to pay CBC's legal fees.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Sorry how did he "get off"? He was charged, tried, and found not guilty

I'm tried of people acting like males charged with sexual assaults are automatically guilty, and if they get off, they are somehow getting away with something.

Where there is smoke there is fire. Let's use logic and reason here. Practically every woman age 20-45 in the arts and music culture in Toronto knows that Ghomeshi assaults woman. It has been rumored for years. The guy is a cretin.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by icecube

Where there is smoke there is fire. Let's use logic and reason here. Practically every woman age 20-45 in the arts and music culture in Toronto knows that Ghomeshi assaults woman. It has been rumored for years. The guy is a cretin.

And who has said that it's not true?

He was found not guilty because the people accusing him lied.

What was the justice system supposed to do??

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by icecube

Where there is smoke there is fire. Let's use logic and reason here. Practically every woman age 20-45 in the arts and music culture in Toronto knows that Ghomeshi assaults woman. It has been rumored for years. The guy is a cretin.

While I for one agree from all accounts Ghomeshi sounds like a massive creep and pure scum, I am thankful our justice system doesn't run on rumours.

[icecube]

I suppose Bill Cosby is innocent too. When there are that many accusers, it stands to reason that the person was up to some wrongdoings.

[icecube]

I see the logic behind the not guilty verdict. I understand it. I still wish there were some way justice could be served for what he did.