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[lazypucker]

What did the Canucks trade away to get the chance to draft both sisters?

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Bingo

with the new lottery system I think the big worry is the drop by two or three spots.

if the Flames finish 28th I think I'll be more concerned about keeping a top 5 pick then I am really thinking they'll end up 1st.

That's just it...we having greater odds of dropping a few spots than winning the lottery...we may not even be in the top 5...
Sure would be nice to get some lottery luck for a change...

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

The 3rd and 15th for the 1st would be a no brainer, especially for the Flames. Matthews is definitely the #1 but the 2 Finns are also really good and fill a need for the Flames.

But I stand by my statement that you'd be lucky to get much to move down from 1st to the 3rd. There isn't that big of a dropoff between Matthews and the 2 Finns. I would be surprised if whoever finished with the 3rd was willing to give up a top prospect or another first rounder. They would have to be absolutely desperate for a franchise center, otherwise it would make more sense to just keep the 3rd and your picks/prospects and pick BPA.

Now if you had the 4th or 5th pick and wanted to move up it would cost you more as there seems to be a ledge at 3.

The 3rd and the 15th is not worth the 1st. The 1st overall this year is a clear cut choice. Your dismissiveness towards the difference between the Finns and Matthews is not common place. Matthews is the clear cut #1 chocie. Laine and Puljujarvi are the next grouping, and the order in which they get picked will likely be decided on team needs.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

with the new lottery system I think the big worry is the drop by two or three spots.

if the Flames finish 28th I think I'll be more concerned about keeping a top 5 pick then I am really thinking they'll end up 1st.

Originally Posted by Frequitude

Draft pick odds using Enoch Root's standings-pick percentages combined with sportsclubstats.com's final standings probabilities as of today. They haven't updated the weightings based projections for a week so I just used the 50/50 projections.



(Numbers don't quite add to 100% in some cases because I just used sportsclubstats summary table which only shows to the nearest whole percent).

This is true, but on the bright side, at least there is no huge drop-off in talent between 4-8.

Also, historically, I don't think the Flames have had a lottery winner past them since the 90s. Not that this means anything.

[killer_carlson]

I think Arizona would overpay by a substantial margin to trade up to get Matthews. He's too attractive from a business perspective for that market to pass up.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Oh yes and Feaster's attempt to trade up from #6 to #1 in 2013.

6, 21, 28 for #1. Rejected by Avs.

In hindsight, Poirier and Klimchuk look okay but not great. If they both don't amount to much in the next few years, would you rather have Sean Monahan or Nathan Mackinnon?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

with the new lottery system I think the big worry is the drop by two or three spots.

if the Flames finish 28th I think I'll be more concerned about keeping a top 5 pick then I am really thinking they'll end up 1st.

I'm still of hope the Oilers somehow surpass the Flames and that the Jets veteran players show some pride (they should be embarrassed about how bad they have been as they are much further into their rebuild than the Flames) and win a few games down the stretch.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

What did the Canucks trade away to get the chance to draft both sisters?

They already held the 3rd overall pick, so they only needed to trade for the 2nd.

To get that, they moved:

• Bryan McCabe and the Canucks' first-round pick in 2000 or 2001 to Chicago for 4th overall
  
  
• 4th overall and two third-round picks (75 & 88) to Tampa for 1st overall
  
  
• 1st overall to Atlanta for 2nd overall and a conditional third-round pick in the 2000 Draft, under the condition that the Thrashers not select either Sedin 1st overall

[The Yen Man]

Not gonna lie, if Flames did manage to snag the 1st overall pick, unless it's a big overpayment, I'd be more than a little disappointed if they traded it.

[SofaProfessor]

If Calgary doesn't win then I hope Toronto does. I'm 100% sure that Canadian sports media would implode on itself and cease to exist after their collective Auston Matthews circle jerk. We would only be able to watch hockey live in person like the pioneers after Sportsnet and TSN are reduced to static.

[The Yen Man]

Honestly, as long as the Oilers don't win it, I'd be ok with anyone else winning the Matthews sweepstakes (barring the Flames not winning it of course). Yes, that includes Leafs, Nucks, and Jets. Just NO for Edmonton!

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by SofaProfessor

If Calgary doesn't win then I hope Toronto does. I'm 100% sure that Canadian sports media would implode on itself and cease to exist after their collective Auston Matthews circle jerk. We would only be able to watch hockey live in person like the pioneers after Sportsnet and TSN are reduced to static.

At least this would mean far less McDavid fellating.

[gunnner]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Luckily they had Chiarelli bail them out of that pick.

That draft definitely looks weak in hindsight compared to other recent drafts.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Bingo

with the new lottery system I think the big worry is the drop by two or three spots.

if the Flames finish 28th I think I'll be more concerned about keeping a top 5 pick then I am really thinking they'll end up 1st.

As someone who is fueled by pessimism, this is pretty much my fear.

They add in a new system and it ####s us out of the best pick we'll likely ever get.

[gvitaly]

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[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The 3rd and the 15th is not worth the 1st. The 1st overall this year is a clear cut choice. Your dismissiveness towards the difference between the Finns and Matthews is not common place. Matthews is the clear cut #1 chocie. Laine and Puljujarvi are the next grouping, and the order in which they get picked will likely be decided on team needs.

The gap between Mathews and the two Fins - especially Laine - isn't as big as you make it seem. McKeens's just recently flip-flopped ranking Laine ahead of Mathews, and then they went back to Mathews being on top.

I have read stuff claiming that Laine is the most skilled player in the draft. Silly comparisons to Mario Lemieux with his skating and puck control, coupled with his size. Lots of stuff out there right now, actually.

I myself won't be so dismissive about the potential for Mathews being selected 2nd. My money is still on Mathews to go first overall, but I wouldn't bat an eye to him going 2nd.

“He’s the first prospect that reminds me of Mario (Lemieux) since Mario,” noted one senior NHL scout who was blown away by Laine’s performance at the WJC over the holidays, where the 6-4 left winger compiled seven goals and six assists in seven games while leading Finland to a Gold Medal victory at home.
“It’s ballsy to have him rated number one, but can’t say I disagree… he could be a home run.”
Laine is six months younger, three inches taller, and has outscored Matthews 29 goals to 19 in international play over the past three years. Up until now, Matthews had been considered the better prospect, but that wasn’t the case at the WJC, where Laine quite simply was the dominant offensive force from tournament start to finish along with linemate and fellow draft prospect Jesse Puljujarvi (ranked third overall).

1 Patrik Laine RW Tappara (Fin) 6-4/210 19-Apr-98 26-8-9-17 2 Auston Matthews C ZSC Zurich (Sui) 6-1/195 17-Sep-97 25-18-12-30 3 Jesse Puljujarvi RW Karpat Oulu (Fin) 6-4/205 7-May-98 34-6-8-14

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/prospec...ings-jan-2016/

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by nik-

As someone who is fueled by pessimism, this is pretty much my fear.

They add in a new system and it ####s us out of the best pick we'll likely ever get.

It's exactly what is probably going to happen now. Meanwhile the adjusted rules last year helped them get freaking McDavid.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Probably posturing for potentially trading up or down. Conroy has always been pretty careful in not tipping hands of where they have prospects ranked before the draft.

Or he knows that drafting 2nd or 3rd is more likely than drafting 1st and doesn't want to make either of the Finns feel 2nd class if we pick one.

[druetetective]

If we win the lottery and Ari gets the 2nd I'd listen.

Christian Fischer is exactly the prospect the Flames need. 6'2 215 pound power forward with elite skating and shot who has a mean streak and plays RW to boot. Draft +1 totals of 37 G 89 P in 63gp.

I think he more than makes up for the gap between Matthews and Laine. I don't like Puljujarvi as much so idk if I'd do that one. Seems like the Flames rank them closely however.

[RandyMarsh]

Originally Posted by druetetective

If we win the lottery and Ari gets the 2nd I'd listen.

Christian Fischer is exactly the prospect the Flames need. 6'2 215 pound power forward with elite skating and shot who has a mean streak and plays RW to boot. Draft +1 totals of 37 G 89 P in 63gp.

I think he more than makes up for the gap between Matthews and Laine. I don't like Puljujarvi as much so idk if I'd do that one. Seems like the Flames rank them closely however.

We should go after Fischer regardless of the draft - a deal involving one of our D prospects makes sense for both teams.