1st Line Right Winger

[dammage79]

^ That's your 1st line RW right there.

[Poe969]

So you think the team that sits in the bottom 3 isn't broke??? Hudler played well at times but this team needs more from it's first line RW.

This team is borken right now...

[polak]

lot's of people pinning our hopes on drafting top 3.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Buff

Jagr. One year deal, see if next year's free agents will be better for RW. Make it so, Treliving.

I love Jagr on a one year deal, but if you were Jagr would you sign with Calgary or Sunny Florida?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by polak

lot's of people pinning our hopes on drafting top 3.

It would solve a lot of problems. If that doesn't happen, we'll have a great player in another position and adjustments will be made to accommodate it.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So you think the team that sits in the bottom 3 isn't broke??? Hudler played well at times but this team needs more from it's first line RW.

This team is borken right now...

Broken or incomplete?

I choose incomplete.

There are a number of boxes that need to be filled in the "championship" blueprint before the Flames are a legitimate contender.

I opined at the start of the rebuild that 17-18, optimistically, or 18-19, more likely, would be the season that the Flames would be in position to contend.

The new management has not dissuaded me, as they have proceeded with vision, implementation and patience.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by timbit

Broken or incomplete?

I choose incomplete.

There are a number of boxes that need to be filled in the "championship" blueprint before the Flames are a legitimate contender.

I opined at the start of the rebuild that 17-18, optimistically, or 18-19, more likely, would be the season that the Flames would be in position to contend.

The new management has not dissuaded me, as they have proceeded with vision, implementation and patience.

A competent goalie from game 1 on would have had us very close to a playoff position this year, so I agree - not broken just need some more parts added

[Poe969]

Sorry, my comment was made towards FlamingHomer's comment about signing Hudler and he said "if it ain't broke..."

I don't think the Flames are broken as much as having Hudler on the team doesn't make them fixed. IMO Hudler was not the answer to the first line RW position, he's probably going to want more money then he's worth and the Flames shouldn't be targeting any more smaller players like him.

This team needs to add an impact player on their top line if they want to be successful and as good as Hudler was, he wasn't/isn't an impact player.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by polak

lot's of people pinning our hopes on drafting top 3.

I think "pinning our hopes" is a bit of a skewed way of talking about it.

Is it easy to find 1st line RWers? Nope. This is a thread talking about how we find one. What's the easiest way to find one? Draft #2 or #3 this year and draft Laine or Puljujarvi. How realistic is that? Actually its fairly realistic. We should have a 25-33% of drafting top 3 most likely if you consider the standings and how the lottery works. And Treliving may be able to trade up into the top 3 if we end up drafting 4th or 5th.

It's not so much a matter of pinning hopes but instead a realistic avenue of finding a 1st line RW this offseason.

What % chance do we have of trading for a 1st line RW?
What % chance do we have of signing a 1st line RW via UFA?
What % chance do we have of drafting a 1st line RW?

I think if you realistically assess those percentages you'll come to the conclusion the 3rd one is actually the most realistic regardless of whether I pin any hopes on it or not

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

That would bring him home so the travelling Jagrs would not need to travel anymore.

But they would still travel. They'd just travel more.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I've been mildly disappointed with Frolik. I never expected him to be a major offensive contributor but I expected more than Joe Colborne offensive numbers and I realize he does other things well but IMO not that well. He's a good all around forward but I don't see much value with his contract based on this season's play. That said I wouldn't be surprised if he has a better 2nd season as Flame after getting this season under his belt. That said I agree he's not a goo fit with Monahan and Gadreau.

He is putting up fairly normal offensive numbers when you compare his years that he didn't play for Chicago. His assist total is down a bit but not by a heck of a lot. The way the team is performing this year, guys who aren't elite will have a heck of a hard time improving their stats from previous years.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Murph

This.

And draft one of the Finn's to play 2nd/3rd line RW and learn all they can from him.

If we sign him, I'll buy a retro Jagr jersey the same day.

Then, if he doesn't come back for a 2nd year in the 2017/18 season we can sign an other elder RW to play 2nd or 3rd line RW duties and be the veteran that the young guys go to bat for to win a cup... Jarome Iginla, anyone?

... I have a feeling I should have stopped at Jagr.

[StrykerSteve]

This team needs cheaper bottom six players that are tougher to play against, an overhaul of the defensive system it plays and a goaltender.

If they can't address those areas, it won't matter how many top line RW they add.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by polak

lot's of people pinning our hopes on drafting top 3.

I think the idea is the Flames finishing 5-6-7 range and moving up with our three 2nd's.

[Parallex]

Not gonna be addressed this year any way except the draft. We won't have the cap space to sign a FA and the assets it would cost to get one in trade we wouldn't want to give up.

[dammage79]

EDM is only 3 points back of the Flames and CGY has two games in hand...

Assuming Goaltending isn't just going to right itself in the next 19 games (unless Backstrom becomes a late career revelation), it's quite realistic that CGY could end up really close to TOR.

in that case, there's a real great chance the Flames end up with a wonder Finn.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

EDM is only 3 points back of the Flames and CGY has two games in hand...

Assuming Goaltending isn't just going to right itself in the next 19 games (unless Backstrom becomes a late career revelation), it's quite realistic that CGY could end up really close to TOR.

in that case, there's a real great chance the Flames end up with a wonder Finn.

I also think that, with the deadline having passed, with the worst attitude on the team gone, and with the addition of a little size and a couple guys trying to earn a spot, that the Oilers might actually win a few games here.

Things might get interesting at the bottom.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

My choice is Charlie Coyle.

Minny has 8 F, 6D, 1G signed for next year with 7.3 mill in Cap. They need to sign 4 Forwards and a backup, 5 players with less then 8 mills. Zucker and Dumba are both RFAs so they will cost 2-3 mill each. So they're in trouble.

Coyle is a 3.2 cap hit, 6'3, 220lbs Right hand shot, 23 years old. He hasn't lived up to expectations but still is a good player.

He has 32 points in 63 games this year with Minny having Parise, Koivu, Granlund, Vanek, Nino, Pominville, Zucker they might be willing to get rid of his cap hit for a pick.

I think an offer of Cal 2nd 2016 at the draft might get it done.

Also note Minny only has 4 picks (1st, 4th, 7th, 7th) at this draft so with Flames having multiple picks, this might be a perfect match.

Nice find.

Yeah Coyle would be awesome.

EDIT: Of course, I'm sure the Wild would rather try to move Pominville or Vanek first, but you never know. I'm sure if Coyle becomes available BT will be all over it.

[stemit14]

Obviously would be great to get one of the Finns from this draft. Also going after someone like Coyle as suggested above would be great. Would add a lot of size and scoring to the right side.

Plus would love to add iginla to the mix via a trade. Love what he brings to a powerplay. Still putting up 25+ goals a year. And he brings grit and leadership to the team. Think having him on gaudreau's line would help add some grit to that line so fewer guys are taking liberties with him. Iggy doesn't shy away from sticking up for his team mates. Plus we've already seen the chemistry gaudreau can have with a veteran sniper who likes to sneak into the high slot as the late guy on a rush (wideman). And iggy is still one of the best in the league in that spot.


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[sureLoss]

IIRC according to Friedman, Yzerman asked for Coyle or Neiderietter from the Wild for Drouin. Fletcher said no.