Poirier needs to come up and play... plain and simple... If he was given the chance that Granlund has been given I'm pretty sure he would be a second line player... way more talent than Granlund... IMHO
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If memory serves me correctly Pat Steinberg was talking to the coach in Stockton and they got onto the topic of Emile. He said that Emile was having a hard time adjusting his game to the pro level. Basically in junior he could just blow by defenders, but in the pros the defensemen are much faster. He was trying to play his junior game in the pros and it wasn't working.
He's since adjusted his game (with advice from the coaches) and is going to the "greasy" areas now and it's starting to pay off for him.
Guess time will tell.
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If memory serves me correctly Pat Steinberg was talking to the coach in Stockton and they got onto the topic of Emile. He said that Emile was having a hard time adjusting his game to the pro level. Basically in junior he could just blow by defenders, but in the pros the defensemen are much faster. He was trying to play his junior game in the pros and it wasn't working.
He's since adjusted his game (with advice from the coaches) and is going to the "greasy" areas now and it's starting to pay off for him.
Guess time will tell.
Sounds like BS to me.
He was an All Star in his first pro season and was looking like a Bonafide Top 6 NHL'er. He has regressed in his second season.
What really probably happened was the coaches asked him to play a different game and now he had to adjust. I really hope they don't try and turn him into a grinder.
Poirier needs to come up and play... plain and simple... If he was given the chance that Granlund has been given I'm pretty sure he would be a second line player... way more talent than Granlund... IMHO
Granlund played 7 games by the end of his Draft+3 year.
If Poirier plays one NHL game this season, he will have the same resume (chance given) at the same points in their careers (albeit Granlund is four months younger in terms of draft age).
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No. Baertschi ....
Well there are many reasons Baertschi didn't make it here. Some his fault for sure. But my point is that he developed on our farm. I believe that is true, he was better in the minors in February 2015 than he was in December 2013. Taking the next step at the NHL level was something he didn't believe he could do on our team so he asked for a trade. There's no reason he wouldn't have been playing the game he's playing there now, here now, if things worked out. He was a fine pick and we didn't **** his development up by sending him to the farm.
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I fully expect him to be playing post deadline in Calgary.
He's shooting more from dangerous areas like the "home plate" section in front of the net. Before he would just drive the net and that wouldn't work. Now he's getting into good areas to shoot and it's working.
Development is all about making adjustments to take your raw talents and mould them into what you need to be as a pro. That is what Poirier is doing this year and it is showing some success. Typically most players, except those drafted in the top 10 or the odd later round super prospects like Gaudreau take 3-4 years post draft to figure out how to play at the NHL level.
The only guy on the current roster that was drafted in the same range as Poirier/Klimchuk is Backlund. It took him until he was 23/24 to become a decent NHL player, and had his first full season at 21/22. Poirier just turned 21 in December. So if Poirier has a full season next year, he'll be on a similar developmental path as Backlund.
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He was an All Star in his first pro season and was looking like a Bonafide Top 6 NHL'er. He has regressed in his second season.
What really probably happened was the coaches asked him to play a different game and now he had to adjust. I really hope they don't try and turn him into a grinder.
That's a bit of stretch, isn't it?
It isn't unusual for a player new to a league to have a good run. But as you move up the leagues, the opposition becomes smarter and is able to adjust.
Poirier did have a good year last year and it may well be that opposition players saw what he did last year and adjusted accordingly. The smart players will figure out how to adjust in turn.
Granlund has earned his nhl time, he played well and produced every time he has been in the AHL, unlike guys like Baerschitt and Poirier, who only show flashes.
The reason why I'm disappointed in Poirier is because you can see the skills: the NhL speed, the NHL shot, the size but he just hasn't put it all together. Maybe it's just maturity and he will get there eventually.
With regards to the development system, the young players who have graduated through the AHL, developed under Troy Ward. There hasn't really been any players who developed under Huska yet, but it may still be early.
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Poirier is like the rest of the Flames prospects. Caught playing in a bad system which affects the ability to score the points the box score watchers need to be impressed. He's also in a system with too many over-paid and under producing veterans on big contracts that would allow a young guy an opportunity to show what he can do. He'll be a good one, once he gets an extended look in the NHL.
He was an All Star in his first pro season and was looking like a Bonafide Top 6 NHL'er. He has regressed in his second season.
What really probably happened was the coaches asked him to play a different game and now he had to adjust. I really hope they don't try and turn him into a grinder.
Pretty much but what do you expect, a coach is not going to give Steinberg an objective scouting report on his player. He's gonna tell you he's progressing. Maybe Burke would give some honesty. Someone should ask Burke about Poirier at the next fan forum or STH meeting.
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He was an All Star in his first pro season and was looking like a Bonafide Top 6 NHL'er. He has regressed in his second season.
What really probably happened was the coaches asked him to play a different game and now he had to adjust. I really hope they don't try and turn him into a grinder.
See Caged Great's post, the second paragraph is what the coach was explaining and CG put it into context much better than myself.
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That is fairly interesting. But I am curious about your claim regarding "very few younger players on the roster." Including Backlund, that's five NHL players on a 23-man roster. If you add Granlund—who I would put in the same bracket as Jooris and Ferland—that's 26% of the roster. Is that actually comparatively low from a league-wide perspective? How many "system graduates" does each NHL team boast? What is the average, and how do the Flames compare?
This is just an instinctive response, but it doesn't seem to me that 6/23 is all that out of the ordinary—and is certainly not to be characterised as "very few." I would guess that it is actually about average, or perhaps a little below average.
You make some good points but other than Brodie and Backlund, we don't seem to be graduating many impact players. And I suppose another point is whether players grown in the Calgary system are playing elsewhere in the league. I can't think of many.
I guess at some point the proof is in the teams record. The Flames are not a good team with some big gaps in the roster. Generally speaking they have always been active players in the free agent and trade market, which speaks to me of a lack of home grown talent.
I would be surprised if Poirier gets more than a cup of coffee, though who knows. He's hardly over ripe, and a few other players need to either move up or likely move on. I would guess they'll get first looks.
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You make some good points but other than Brodie and Backlund, we don't seem to be graduating many impact players. And I suppose another point is whether players grown in the Calgary system are playing elsewhere in the league. I can't think of many.
I guess at some point the proof is in the teams record. The Flames are not a good team with some big gaps in the roster. Generally speaking they have always been active players in the free agent and trade market, which speaks to me of a lack of home grown talent.
There's a time component to drafting and development too. The current flames org looks to be pretty serious about it, but regimes past weren't. I think it'll be 3-5 more years before we know if the flames have it figured out.
As long as he can bring back his pest/agitator part of his game I am looking forward to seeing what he can do. We really need a good poop disturber on this team.
IMO he's still on track to be a top 6, maybe a top 3. He's not deficient in any area of the game - I'd actually suggest that he has such a well rounded skillset that he'll find so many ways to beat you.
