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polak · 02-10-2016, 12:38 PM

Bouma has also been completely useless. He might be getting scratched regardless of missing practice.

Textcritic · 02-10-2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

There are lots of teams short on D that would give him a legitimate shot.

I guess that depends entirely upon what you mean by a "legitimate shot" and raises the question as to whether Nakladal has received one with the Flames. Honestly, we don't really know one way or the other. We can guess, infer, intuit, and project, but without all the information about what takes place in practice, on the bench, or how the players are evaluated on the ice by the coaching staff, it still all remains anyone's guess.

I'm more inclined to think that most NHL coaches are pretty similar in their makeup and mindset, and that the "baffling" decisions that Hartley makes with the roster are not altogether different than how the same players would be handled in other NHL markets. In other words, I'm not convinced Nakladal gets much more opportunity elsewhere than he does here.

dino7c · 02-10-2016, 12:41 PM

They dressed him because they had to dress 7 d with the forwards out not to give him a look

FeyWest · 02-10-2016, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

So we aren't in a position to give Nakladal more than 2 minutes of NHL ice time, but we're in a position to scratch our two best forwards?

And I guess we weren't in a position to play Nakladal at the start of the year for the same reasons. Because the defense was playing solid to start the year and he couldn't ruin their chemistry? Damnit Hartley...

Oh come now, those are two separate situations that are not at all linked in any way.....

DoubleF · 02-10-2016, 12:42 PM

IMO, Knuckles is going to be treated about the same as Wotherspoon last season. I'm not commenting whether I think that's correct or not, but that's just my guess.

Textcritic · 02-10-2016, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Wrong. People aren't saying Nakladal is this or that. They are saying the guy has played very well in the minors, and we should see how he can play in the NHL. If he sucks, at least we know.

Dressing him and playing him for 2 shifts is stupid. Why even dress him ?

Because Hartley and co. were able to make their decision about him based on this limited viewing? I'm not saying it was the right or wrong thing to do; it's just silly to think that a seasoned, successful professional hockey coach at the highest level just makes decisions like this flippantly, or that e is somehow missing what is so obvious to fans watching from their seat at the dome or in their living room.

dino7c · 02-10-2016, 12:44 PM

Justin Schultz tore the AHL a new one and isn't good enough to play for the Oilers

losing this guy is the least of my worries for next year and I don't think the coach should be worrying about players feelings. Flames will likely be out of it soon and trade a d-man anyway, whats the facking rush?

CroFlames · 02-10-2016, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Because Hartley and co. were able to make their decision about him based on this limited viewing? I'm not saying it was the right or wrong thing to do; it's just silly to think that a seasoned, successful professional hockey coach at the highest level just makes decisions like this flippantly, or that e is somehow missing what is so obvious to fans watching from their seat at the dome or in their living room.

Some pretty "seasoned professionals" let Marty St Louis walk before too. Nakladal did not screw anything up that would warrant a benching like that.

Bob had no intention of playing him to begin with, that was obvious. So why dress him at all.

handgroen · 02-10-2016, 12:46 PM

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All lowercase is the new chic.

i couldn't agree more

Locke · 02-10-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by handgroen

i couldn't agree more

I dont even know what to say to you. I have no idea what your username means other than the obvious, which works to a degree considering your avatar.

But you spelled 'groan' wrong which is a transgression I'm unsure that I can forgive.

DoubleF · 02-10-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Some pretty "seasoned professionals" let Marty St Louis walk before too. Nakladal did not screw anything up that would warrant a benching like that.

Bob had no intention of playing him to begin with, that was obvious. So why dress him at all.

Why bring up something that's over a decade old and has nothing with our current management?

Bingo · 02-10-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

I hear Marc Spector is too busy writing an expose on hockey message board owners and their rampant abuse of CDC paste.

Just went back and read 10 pages or so of my troll coming out party. Tears running down my cheeks

Textcritic · 02-10-2016, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Some pretty "seasoned professionals" let Marty St Louis walk before too. Nakladal did not screw anything up that would warrant a benching like that.

Yeah, NHL professionals let go a diminutive player with middling numbers in an era in which diminutive players struggled to have an impact. What exactly did you see from Nakladal last night that leads you to think he will be a NHL defensemen? I sure didn't see much.

And quite frankly, you have no idea whether or not he "screw(ed) anything up that would warrant a benching like that," since you have no idea WHY Hartley benched him in the first place. Even if he didn't make any egregious errors, his lack of ice time could have had to do with other factors beyond Nakladal's own control.

Furthermore, people are reacting here like this was Nakladal's one and only chance to make an impression, or to secure for himself a place on the roster. It was ONE GAME—his first ever NHL game! I would be shocked if he doesn't get back on the ice at some point later in the season, and for all we know, he is well aware of that. There is always a hell of a lot more going on than just what takes place in the course of a game.

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Bob had no intention of playing him to begin with, that was obvious. So why dress him at all.

Did Hartley tell you as much? If not, then stop making declarations about what is "obvious."

Locke · 02-10-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Did Hartley tell you as much? If not, then stop making declarations about what is "obvious."

I dont know, the tweets that are quoting Hartley, if assumed to be true, do pretty well say exactly that.

mikephoen · 02-10-2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Some pretty "seasoned professionals" let Marty St Louis walk before too. Nakladal did not screw anything up that would warrant a benching like that.

Bob had no intention of playing him to begin with, that was obvious. So why dress him at all.

LOL at the St Louis remark. That is the CP equivalent of Godwin's Law.

And the reason they dressed the guy that they have in case of injuries... was in case of injuries! What a surprise. Otherwise they only had 17 skaters for the game.

Bingo · 02-10-2016, 12:58 PM

I keep picturing Moneyball with the GM going down to the coaches office to discuss who the coach would play, and the coach ignoring him.

Play Wotherspoon
Nope
Play Wotherspoon
Nope
Please?
Nope

Play Nakladal
Nope
Play Nakladal
Nope
OK I've suspended 3 players for coming in late, now you have to play him.
There, happy?

Textcritic · 02-10-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know, the tweets that are quoting Hartley, if assumed to be true, do pretty well say exactly that.

Fair enough, but I think the fact that Nakladal did take a couple of shifts also suggests that Hartley wanted him out there at one point. In any event, it shouldn't be outrageous to think that what he says to the media and how he manages his bench will not always add up.

MarkGio · 02-10-2016, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mikephoen

Nakladal must be the most overrated player on CP since Boyd. He was brought in as depth in case of injuries, that is it. There hasn't been injuries, so he doesn't play. He is 28 with no NHL experience and people think he is going to be an improvement on players that have 100s of games in the NHL? IF (and it's a big if) he gets another NHL contact next year, he'll be in the same position regardless of who signs him, depth in case of injuries.

I think the less he plays, the more his legend grows.

True, but you have to send the right message to the guys on the farm team. There's 50 contracts that the Flames need to consider.

Erick Estrada · 02-10-2016, 01:04 PM

This Nakladal dude may never play another game in the NHL again for all I know and I don't want to get overly involved in the extremes of the argument but they dressed him, he was on the bench, and the pairing of Smid and Engelland was a tire fire most of the game. Probably wouldn't have hurt to give him a few shifts in each of the last two periods as I have a hard time believing he was going to be any worse than the other two guys.

IgiTang · 02-10-2016, 01:06 PM

Posted this in the GT last night, thought it would be worth posting here -

Regarding Nakladal:

I thought he was quite solid on the first shift. Wasn't quite sure where to go on the breakout. Just stood in the corner.

Second shift he made a great breakout pass after a decent backskate. Quick feet just a bit hesitant.

Then gone..

- Im still wondering today how the guy is supposed to look in his first 2 shifts in the best league in the world. Of course hes gonna be nervous. Not giving him more shifts to settle is only going to make him more nervous. Especially if he didnt really do anything glaringly wrong. He could now be second guessing every little thing he does rather than just going out there and playing his game..

Really frustrating. I thought he looked pretty good considering and was looking forward to seeing him get settled in. I hope he isnt more nervous now and doesnt think about jumping ship to a team that will give him a real shot..