[Signing] Panthers sign Barkov to 6 year extension ($5.9mil AAV)

[calgaryblood]

Yep this sets the market for Monahan. Too early to say who's better but I really like Barkov and think he's better defensively at this point. If Monahan is better it should only be a few hundred K difference.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

Interesting comparables:

Barkov: 163 games 90 points 36 goals -> 0.55 points per game. 0.22 goals per game.
Monahan: 202 games 125 points 67 goals -> 0.62 points per game. 0.33 goals per game.

Since we're on a site that likes to often mention how Bennett and Jankowski are younger than their draft year counterparts, it's only fair to mention that Barkov is a year younger than Monahan.

Barkov was also on a team that finished second last in GF/G who's leading scorer put up 38 points in 2014, and fifth last in GF/G who's leading scorer put up 54 points in 2015.

He played on a line with Brad Boyes for most of the season in 2014-2015 and Boyes, despite putting up 20+ goals, had to take a PTO and perform well to eventually get a league minimum contract this year from Toronto. It's very clear that Boyes was a passenger on Barkov's line who he, and Huberdeau, had to carry.

I think it's quite apparent that Barkov has not had the favourable offensive opportunities that Monahan has had in their short careers. At least not until Jagr, who is 43, was traded to the Panthers.

I don't think that anyone can argue that one or the other is on a separate tier, but based on their play for approximately the last year, I would say Barkov has been the better all around player.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What underlying stats?

He has one more point and 2 less goals

Miles ahead? Hyperbole for the win.

Monahan accidentally had Selke votes last year I guess.

Well there is someone with a sense of humor voting. Wideman got a Norris vote and Carlyle a Jack Adams vote.

[Dion]

If the Flames could get Monahan signed to a similar deal i'd be quite happy.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

10M for their top two centers until 2021 is an absolute steal, throw in an absolute stud of a defenseman who's yet to turn 20 and you've got the starting blocks for a great team. Huberdeau is 22, Gudbranson is 24, Jagr's like 20 or something. This is a good team built around good young players. No reason they shouldn't be able to compete at a high level for the next decade.

Luongo is 36 and Bolland is signed at 5.5M for the next couple years, so they aren't without their issues

Pretty much this. Also have to consider that Willie Mitchell is 38, a UFA, and still playing top 4 minutes. The Bolland deal is looking like most predicted, a bit of a dead weight anchor to the salary cap. I wouldn't be shocked to see him bought out.

Luongo has been fantastic even at his age, and goalies age better than most positions, so I think he's got at least another 2 or 3 good years in him. After that, who knows, so the Panthers need to get a contingency plan in place at some point. Drafting a quality goalie soon would be good obviously since they gave up on Markstrom.

But the young core is solid, considering that they also locked up Bjugstad at about $4 million for another 5 years after this one. Huberdeau still has another year before becoming an RFA. Big RFAs this year in Vincent Trocheck and Erik Gudbranson, as well as Pirri but he might be on his way out anyway.

[CroFlames]

I simply shake my head at the Monahan criticism on this board. Monahan had Selke votes last season, and has 31 more goals than Barkov in his career. Monahan also earned an A on his jersey for 41 games.

In what world is Monahan inferior to Barkov.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

As someone who watches Barkov a lot I compare him often to Kopitar, except much better hands and vision. He's got all the tools to be a #1 center that can be a key piece for a cup winning team.

However, he has really only come into his own this year. Jagr has had a lot to do with his development offensively, coaching both he and Huberdeau at all times. Without the acquisition of Jagr I don't know where those two would be right now.

Honestly, this deal excites me a lot. Great value and they have him for another 6 years as he becomes the NHLer they always hoped for.

[CroFlames]

This is a good deal I forgot to mention. I hope they give Mony a similar deal, but hopefully for 8 years.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I simply shake my head at the Monahan criticism on this board. Monahan had Selke votes last season, and has 31 more goals than Barkov in his career. Monahan also earned an A on his jersey for 41 games.

In what world is Monahan inferior to Barkov.

I don't think it's a slight to Monahan to say that Barkov is a superior player. I watch both players a lot, and Monahan is a great finisher which helps his numbers, but Barkov plays a much better all-around game.

That being said, it's not out of the realm of possibilities to think that these players could be on somewhat the same level going forward.

[GranteedEV]

WOW, that is DIRT CHEAP.

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

There's your Monahan comparable.

Except better and younger...

Originally Posted by saillias

Well there is someone with a sense of humor voting. Wideman got a Norris vote and Carlyle a Jack Adams vote.

Believe some people on CP and Russell-Wideman was a second 1st pairing and one of the best pairings in the world last year

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I don't think it's a slight to Monahan to say that Barkov is a superior player. I watch both players a lot, and Monahan is a great finisher which helps his numbers, but Barkov plays a much better all-around game.

That being said, it's not out of the realm of possibilities to think that these players could be on somewhat the same level going forward.

Superior? Could be?

[socalwingfan]

All this discussion regarding Monahan reminded me of Daryl Sutter's take

"...and I don’t think Monahan gets enough credit in the league. Everybody talks about the centremen in this conference, and they don’t talk about Sean Monahan ... and they should.”

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Superior? Could be?

Think it's high time we do away with the pretension that you're anything but a flaming Panthers fan at this point.

Oh, I see, you get to tell me what I am and am not now, right?

You see, I will always be a Flames fan, and a passionate one at that, but I have the ability to evaluate players as I see them, and my team affiliation has no bearing on it. However, you seem to think that I'm masquerading as a Flames fan even though I've been one for over 30 years, through good times and bad.

I've had enough with your condescending attitude towards every single one of my posts just because I choose to ALSO cheer for another team which has zero conflict with my Flames affiliation. It's petty and childish. You'll have to get a new hobby because I'm putting you on ignore.

Get bent,

Cali (Flames) Panthers Fan

[Vinny01]

I agree that Monahan and Barkov are in the same tier but it is utterly laughable at some of the posts in here that rank Barkov as clearly better.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

10M for their top two centers until 2021 is an absolute steal, throw in an absolute stud of a defenseman who's yet to turn 20 and you've got the starting blocks for a great team. Huberdeau is 22, Gudbranson is 24, Jagr's like 20 or something...

This had me actually laughing out loud. Well done.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree that Monahan and Barkov are in the same tier but it is utterly laughable at some of the posts in here that rank Barkov as clearly better.

Are those posts equally laughable in which Monahan is rated as clearly better? I think a good case can be made that Barkov projects to be a better player than Monahan, but that is not necessarily the case right now.

[Phanuthier]

Cali, I don't know what you are referring to with MMF and him being condescending to your posts, but a few things :

- been on CP for half my life (wow, loooooser) and seen all sides of MMF... other then maybe hating a media individual, never seen him really stalk someone... your just being paranoid

- Monahan vs Barkov, they play in different divisions/conference; despite it being weak this year, over the past 2 years he lines up against Getzlaf one night, then Kopitar the next, then Thronton or whoever in SJ, then the Sedins... thats tough competition. I'm not well versed in Floridas division, but I see 2 of the best centers in the league in this division, and you got an opponent (Darryl) saying he's underrated and one the best; they also play on teams with different expectations and markets, and Monahan probably deals with more pressure in a Canadian fish bowl market and is performing admirably; Monahan is playing on a team that has a target on their backs being a Cinderella fluke last year, whereas last year with no expectations he was arguably the one of the best players in the league for a few months - that is where Barkov is now, so you can't really compare the 2 in such a short time frame because of their team circumstance... among many other factors. I expect Flames fans to have bias to Monahan, as Florida to Barkov, then some fans trying to (or masquerading) as ones who think they can see players from 20,000 ft... I'd say I have no freaking clue. Barkov seems to be a really great player, but I don't think there are very many (if any, not sure about McDavid) who I think stand up a class above Monahan. So yes... judging by your location and following bias in Florida, while you probably still watch the Flames, you will still have a bias.. one way or another.

- Barkov a better hands/vision then Kopitar? Thats crazy... with better hands/vision, he would probably be in the top 10 in history, above Yzerman, Sakic and Forsberg. While he still might be, thats a very lofty thing to say. I will say he's a damn good young player and one of the best young centers in the NHL; not sure you can argue if any one is better than the rest, in the group of 10-12 of them.

[Lanny_McDonald]

When Barkov scores 30 goals and almost 70 points in a season I'll consider him in the same league as Monahan. Until then it's all Oileresque blather about this player being better than another.

[Phanuthier]

I also wanted to say... got around to listening to the Mike Cvik interview. One of the most interesting things he said was when naming some of the NHL greats, he listed Gretz and Mario Lemieux and... Joe Nieuwendyk.

Nieuwendyk, really? Up there with Gretz and Lemieux? I don't really know, I only saw him in the tail end of his career (though he was a MVP for Dallas, and was key)... but Cvik did say "yeah, really... sometimes quiet players just really go un-noticed" .... this is where Monahan lies. (Maybe Barkov too)

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I simply shake my head at the Monahan criticism on this board. Monahan had Selke votes last season, and has 31 more goals than Barkov in his career. Monahan also earned an A on his jersey for 41 games.

In what world is Monahan inferior to Barkov.

It's no slight to Monahan. Just some people think Barkov is one of the better young centres in the game. Personally I take him #1 overall if we redraft that year. I think Barkov has a higher upside. He's big, strong, fast, skilled. More powerful and dynamic than Monahan.

Monahan is pretty dang good. Barkov will be a notch above IMO.