Ten X Nightclub Shooting

[robaur]

If I were to suggest that all this is happening because of people from a particular part of the world, my statement would be quickly ridiculed by the uninformed and clueless who chomp at the bit of political correctness every chance they get.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by robaur

If I were to suggest that all this is happening because of people from a particular part of the world, my statement would be quickly ridiculed by the uninformed and clueless who chomp at the bit of political correctness every chance they get.

Just say what you want to say without being passive aggressive.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by robaur

If I were to suggest that all this is happening because of people from a particular part of the world, my statement would be quickly ridiculed by the uninformed and clueless who chomp at the bit of political correctness every chance they get.

Well if you suggested it, sure. But if you have the facts to back it up and make an objective rather than subjective statement I think we're all adults enough to handle it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by robaur

If I were to suggest that all this is happening because of people from a particular part of the world, my statement would be quickly ridiculed by the uninformed and clueless who chomp at the bit of political correctness every chance they get.

It would be rightly ridiculed, given that there is no evidence whatsoever that this had anything to do with those people being "from a particular part of the world". In fact, there isn't even any evidence that they're "from a particular part of the world" at all, other than the assumption you're drawing from their names.

As for "this is all happening", if you're saying violence in Calgary generally or gang violence specifically is happening because of foreigners, that's just stupid.

Political correctness is often a problem. Here, the problem seems to be you.

[Northendzone]

what really struck me (while watching the video) was the apparent randomness of this shooting as the shooter seemingly just stuck his gun in the club and squeezed off a few rounds - seems like he would ahve been happy to hit anyone.

of course over time it may come to light that these guys knew each other and there was some type of beef over who was the greatest british prime minister of all time or something importnat like that.

other than that, the guys in the car did not seem like the sharpest tools in the shed.

i can only wonder what was goign thru these guys heads as they loaded up and left thier house and drove to the club

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Locke

Perhaps we should consider building some sort of wall...

A dome is probably the best option.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It would be rightly ridiculed, given that there is no evidence whatsoever that this had anything to do with those people being "from a particular part of the world". In fact, there isn't even any evidence that they're "from a particular part of the world" at all, other than the assumption you're drawing from their names.

As for "this is all happening", if you're saying violence in Calgary generally or gang violence specifically is happening because of foreigners, that's just stupid.

Political correctness is often a problem. Here, the problem seems to be you.

I agree...because he used the term "because."

However, if the perps names were Smith and Anderson, you could almost certainly eliminate Islamist terrorism as a possibility. In this case, you cannot yet.

[polak]

They might have been trying to sink the club and not necessarily targeting anyone specific.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by polak

They might have been trying to sink the club and not necessarily targeting anyone specific.

I doubt that was their intention, as they appeared to have the combined intelligence of a potato.

But their actions probably will sink it.

[blankall]

Hold on.

Just re-read the article. It sounds like white jacket guy got away:

The Calgary police gang suppression team happened to be on scene at the time. One passenger in the vehicle tried to help the shooter and got away. The third person in the car was arrested.

Two men are facing six charges each.

Only 2 arrests, and the driver and shooter are clearly arrested. White jacket got away?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Buster

However, if the perps names were Smith and Anderson, you could almost certainly eliminate Islamist terrorism as a possibility.

How about if their names were Gadahn?

Definitely disagree with your statement. Almost no one can be ruled out as a potential Islamist terrorist, which is why traditional profiling is so ineffective.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

How about if their names were Gadahn?

Definitely disagree with your statement. Almost no one can be ruled out as a potential Islamist terrorist, which is why traditional profiling is so ineffective.

Even so, without additional information, you cannot rule out Islamic terrorism in this case.

As someone who seems to put a lot of weight in the predictive power of correlations, you cannot suggest that an "Anderson" would have the same likelihood of being an Islamic terrorist as a "Mohamed". You'd have to ignore some compelling statistical truisms to do so.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Satistically, I agree that it's more likely that a dude named Mohamed is more likely to have Islamist motives than a guy named Anderson. However, just as we couldn't rule out Islamist terrorism in this case, we couldn't do so if his name were Anderson.

You also can't really rule it in, which is the real crux of the thing: outside of the guys' names, you have no reason to think this incident has anything at all to do with Islamist terrorism. I'm informed that dudes with Arabic-sounding names also join regular ol' gangs sometimes. Stop the presses, right?

[polak]

"Mohammed is the most commonly used name on earth, Read a f***ing book for once"

[Buster]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Satistically, I agree that it's more likely that a dude named Mohamed is more likely to have Islamist motives than a guy named Anderson. However, just as we couldn't rule out Islamist terrorism in this case, we couldn't do so if his name were Anderson.

You also can't really rule it in, which is the real crux of the thing: outside of the guys' names, you have no reason to think this incident has anything at all to do with Islamist terrorism. I'm informed that dudes with Arabic-sounding names also join regular ol' gangs sometimes. Stop the presses, right?

You would need evidence to confirm it, obviously.

But these investigations are about determining when possibilities turn into probabilities, and then probabilities turn into certainties, with evidence. It is an uncomfortable truth that Islamism is the root cause of a tremendous amount of terrorism. This activity follows a profile seen in other acts of Islamist terrorism in the US and France. The probability that this is Islamist terror therefor is above zero percent to a degree that is worth considering.

However, if the perps names were "Anderson" or similar, the probability that it is Islamist terrorism would hover imperceptibly close to zero.

It is, again, an uncomfortable truth.

This is an active topic of discussion among academics and some policy wonks. The current form is this: "should the TSA bother screening airline passengers if they are 70 year old ladies with walkers, from Nebraska." The idea is that the likelihood of this person being a terrorist is so close to zero that it is not a useful exercise to screen them.

[blankall]

^^^

When three guys roll up in a ######y car and ######y clothes and proceed to act like totally inept morons while shooting up a club, the natural assumption is that they are ######y wanna gangsters. Without any hint of religious motivation, I don't see how their religious roots are relevant.

[Swift]

I have to say the Islamic terrorist thing never even crossed my mind once. When I saw their names, I immediately assumed (rightly or wrongly) that it was Sudanese gangster types.

[WhiteTiger]

http://www.newstalk770.com/2016/01/1...-bar-shooting/

[Buster]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

I have to say the Islamic terrorist thing never even crossed my mind once. When I saw their names, I immediately assumed (rightly or wrongly) that it was Sudanese gangster types.

Intellectually, it's an identical exercise (ie reaching a conclusion).

Incidentally, I would consider your assumption a much higher probability than the probability that this was a terrorist act.

[zamler]

So what is the motive?