Ya, Bro, seriously. Goalies were pretty horrible until the 90s. Fuhr was awesome...for his time.
So Ramo makes both those saves then every time? Slap shot from the slot while moving side to side to follow the puck carrier?
I just don't understand your initial comment, those were two great efforts by Fleury that resulted in nice goals. Saying the goaltending was bad in the 80's is a way of taking the significance of the goals away from Fleury. I think its fair to say those were two great plays by Fleury that resulted in goals on a 4 time Stanley Cup Champion goaltender. Your comment is irrelevant and dumb.
Gretzky would still be relatively dominant compared to his peers. No, he wouldn't get 200 points, but this is a guy who had 90 points in his second-to-last year in the league, in his late 30s, in the so-called dead puck era. I know he was an Oiler, but the guy was pretty special.
97-98 was more defensive than the 80s but its was no early 2000s...the worst teams in the league were still around 2.5 goals per game
I don't think anyone was saying Wayne was NG just that its much harder to score on todays net minders
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So Ramo makes both those saves then every time? Slap shot from the slot while moving side to side to follow the puck carrier?
I just don't understand your initial comment, those were two great efforts by Fleury that resulted in nice goals. Saying the goaltending was bad in the 80's is a way of taking the significance of the goals away from Fleury. I think its fair to say those were two great plays by Fleury that resulted in goals on a 4 time Stanley Cup Champion goaltender. Your comment is irrelevant and dumb.
goal tender is half the size of a modern day guy=twice as much net to shoot at
relax nobody is taking anything away, just commenting that scoring was easier back then...it was
So Ramo makes both those saves then every time? Slap shot from the slot while moving side to side to follow the puck carrier?
I just don't understand your initial comment, those were two great efforts by Fleury that resulted in nice goals. Saying the goaltending was bad in the 80's is a way of taking the significance of the goals away from Fleury. I think its fair to say those were two great plays by Fleury that resulted in goals on a 4 time Stanley Cup Champion goaltender. Your comment is irrelevant and dumb.
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97-98 was more defensive than the 80s but its was no early 2000s...the worst teams in the league were still around 2.5 goals per game
I don't think anyone was saying Wayne was NG just that its much harder to score on todays net minders
My point was speaking to his relatively performance to his peers, not necessarily his point total. I don't doubt he would score less today, but I think compared to his peers, it would still be extremely impressive and something one would consider dominant. This guy even in the twilight of his career was at the top of league scoring, ahead of many future HOF NHLers.
I've been watching sports a long, long, long time and the way I look at it is you shouldn't try to compare an athlete from one era to another. The best way to look at it is how they dominated their peers and enjoy what they did when they did it.
Of course if they were using PEDs they should be completely ignored and any of their records should be erased.
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Fleury's first goal man that brings back a lot of memories. Kind of a funny story, it was absolutely frigid 30 below maybe colder, I was a kid and we lived on a farm in the middle of nowhere. Anyways we get a knock on the door and when dad answers there is like 6 20 somethings at the door. They had gone off the road about 2 miles away and they did not have much for warm clothes, one guy had socks on his hands etc. Anyways we invited then in and one happened to be a diehard flames fan so he came into the living room to watch the game while they waited for a ride to come. Well Fleury scored and he got crazy excited, he was yelling at the TV "take that Fuhr", "your a hall of famer Fuhr" "what's wrong Fuhr never seen a midget before." Lol still laugh about it. As I recall Calgary won 6-0. What a great night.
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Of note, the complete lack of ######bag oilers fans and jerseys in the crowd. So much better than the greasy pile of ugly people in ugly blue sweaters that show up in this era.
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I remember that game. Flames won 7-2 (and then lost 6-0 to the Oilers the very next day).
Also, regarding that note about Fuhr's numbers. Yeah 3.83 GAA and .875 save percentage were above average in the NHL at that time, that really makes you really appreciate Mike Vernon's 2.65 GAA and .897 save percentage that season (speaking of someone who should be in the Hall of Fame).
As for the most memorable Fleury goal of all-time, I still think it has to be this one in Game 6 OT 1991:
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The Calgary Flames should be absolutely, unequivocally embarrassed and shameful that 14 is not retired.
It's an indictment on the Flames organization. And none of this horse #### honour crap either. Retire it. End of story. What he has done to turn his personal struggles around and what he does for speaking out and trying to help people who are sexually abused is admirable.
Also just to add- you KNOW that a jersey retirement is legitimate when no player since the guy has left the team is willing to wear the number out of respect anyway.
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The Calgary Flames should be absolutely, unequivocally embarrassed and shameful that 14 is not retired.
It's an indictment on the Flames organization. And none of this horse #### honour crap either. Retire it. End of story. What he has done to turn his personal struggles around and what he does for speaking out and trying to help people who are sexually abused is admirable.
Also just to add- you KNOW that a jersey retirement is legitimate when no player since the guy has left the team is willing to wear the number out of respect anyway.
I agree 100%. #14 should be retired. I still think he was our best player ever.
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Best guy allowed almost 4 per game...it was easier to score back then
Wrong year to pick Fuhr's stats to prove a point.
Back then, in a 21 team league, his save % was ranked 28th and his GAA was ranked 27th.
That year, he was far from one of the best. That year the top six GAA were all under 3.00, although the only the top 2 save % were over .900
Far from one of the league's best that year.
Edit to add: I got curious after looking up Fuhr's stats in 1988/89. I know Fuhr was a good goalie, but I've always felt he was overrated. Man, his stats don't do him any favours. Only 4 times was his GAA top 20 in the league, never top 10. And only once was his save% top 20 in the league and that year it was top 10, but his GAA was not top 20 that year.
10 times he was in top 10 in wins, 7 of those times was with the powerhouse Oiler. Also during his time with the Oilers he twice lead the league in wins.
So, maybe he visually looked good, but his stats sure don't make him seem that good.
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So, maybe he visually looked good, but his stats sure don't make him seem that good.
The thing about Fuhr: His stats were that bad, not because he wasn't a good goalie, but because his team hung him out to dry every night. The Oilers didn't score five goals a game or thereabouts because they were just that good offensively; they did it by ignoring their own end of the ice and playing run-and-gun every night. On many plays, Fuhr wasn't the last line of defence, he was the only line of defence.
Sound familiar? It should, because that's what the Oilers are still doing today… only without the talent to get away with it.
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The Calgary Flames should be absolutely, unequivocally embarrassed and shameful that 14 is not retired.
It's an indictment on the Flames organization. And none of this horse #### honour crap either. Retire it. End of story. What he has done to turn his personal struggles around and what he does for speaking out and trying to help people who are sexually abused is admirable.
Also just to add- you KNOW that a jersey retirement is legitimate when no player since the guy has left the team is willing to wear the number out of respect anyway.
He should stop pumping his own tires, and he'll get his honor.
Instead of congratulating Johnny, he boasts how it was way tougher for him because of the clutching and grabbing back in the day. He always seems to be bragging and criticizing.
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If the guy had a bit more humility and tact, his jersey would've been retired long ago. Instead, every time he opens his mouth, he pushes back the timeline.
The Flames gave him a try out as a goodwill gesture, something Im sure that was meant to be a first step towards a jersey retirement of some sort. Instead of being grateful for the opportunity when he was cut (something that everyone knew he would be), the guy crapped all over the the organization and its players once again. I'm sure that left some really sour feelings about him amongst the ownership group.
Theo needs to shut up for 5-10 years, and he'll probably get consideration again.
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