MLA Deborah Drever calls identical holiday message an ‘unfortunate error'

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

She didn't submit this one - hence why it is a problem.

Can you give me one example of a publisher helping out an MLA or MP by putting out an article or newsletter that didn't come from them? That is insanely dumb for the publisher to do.

Actually, a significant amount of political publications-- as in almost all-- both in print and online, are directed by the party executive and its management and the MPs and MLAs often have to accept them. If you live in a world where the MLA or MP decides what they say to their constituents, well, I'd like to live there but also don't want to leave Canada. JT is claiming to be changing that but we'll see.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Actually, a significant amount of political publications-- as in almost all-- both in print and online, are directed by the party executive and its management and the MPs and MLAs often have to accept them. If you live in a world where the MLA or MP decides what they say to their constituents, well, I'd like to live there but also don't want to leave Canada. JT is claiming to be changing that but we'll see.

The publisher could be directed by the party but they would never publish anything for an MLA without having been asked to do so. From talking to my friends, many MLAs really do decide what goes into those newsletters. Obviously, they won't deviate from the party but they do work with their staff to write those specifically for their own constituency.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Call me petty too, but I think there is something going on here. Consider the language of her own message after the gaffe:

"The holiday message published under my name was not one that I wrote. Neither my staff nor I submitted the newsletter update that ran under my name, nor were we given a proof to approve. All I can assume is that it is a mistake on the publisher’s end. My staff was unable to reach anyone today. On Monday we will be requesting a retraction from the publisher."

This is what I find odd:

-"was not one that I wrote"-- makes me think she didn't write one. Otherwise it would say, "was not the one I wrote"

-"Neither my staff or I submitted the newsletter update..." -- makes me think they didn't submit anything, otherwise they would have said they submitted another one

-"All I can assume is that it is a mistake on the publishers end." -- makes me think, they submitted nothing, based on the above two quotes, so the publisher put something in so she didn't say... nothing.

-"All I can assume" -- she doesn't even know if or what she or her staff submitted, if anything. Lazy, no diligence to say what she did if anything.

-That there no mention of whether she actually wrote anything and submitted it suggests she wrote nothing.

The publisher was paid to do these newsletters, they have an incentive to please the political party hiring them and will take the fall on this. The Drever language was very careful however to not suggest the publisher failed to publish something she wrote.

not trying to be an @ss, but I thought for sure when I read your first few sentences this was going to be a satire post about how we need to really look into this scandal and do some extra research. I was disappointed.

I am just stating this as you seem offended by the other post you considered fly by, as I had similar thoughts to that poster.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

not trying to be an @ss, but I thought for sure when I read your first few sentences this was going to be a satire post about how we need to really look into this scandal and do some extra research. I was disappointed.

I am just stating this as you seem offended by the other post you considered fly by, as I had similar thoughts to that poster.

This is what I've come to learn reading online news. There is an article posted quickly, in these days written by a reporter under huge time restraints, then it goes through multiple edits as they become more accurate. As it stands now, that article has gone through at least 2 edits. Here is a cut and paste from the current version's headline (and yes its on the Calgary Sun website but hey, they're owned by Postmedia, right?). You can't get the prior edits unless you save them the article at the time:

FIRST POSTED: SATURDAY, JANUARY 02, 2016 01:10 PM MST | UPDATED: SATURDAY, JANUARY 02, 2016 03:51 PM MST

Every update was a change, when I read it earlier in the day I formed an impression. That impression was wrong, but, the final edit confirmed what I thought which was, Drever submitted nothing. And I think that's fine, though most politicians will take any publishing space they're offered, so in that respect perhaps Drever still has a few things to learn (look at how much Pootmans published in that same newsletter).

[bizaro86]

I'm not exactly a NDP supporter, but this story meets Occams razor. These aren't party newsletters, they're an independent community newsletter run to sell local advertising. They sell adds to the drycleaner, local pub, etc, so then they need local content so people will read it, but they're presumably on a shoestring budget. I'm sure the newsletters are templated, and someone just forgot to pull out the message from another MLA, especially if Drever didn't respond.

Which isn't an issue either, since writing seasons greatings in the local shopper letter isn't a primary MLA job. I think she's almost certainly very under qualified, but this isn't evidence of that, imo.

[edn88]

I am very anti-NDP, think Drevor is a travesty of an MLA, but this is a non-issue for me.

[Mister Yamoto]

What a letdown. I was hoping for so much more from Deborah Drever. This isn't even newsworthy. She is really gonna have to step up her game to be invited as a guest on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Yep, for an MLA.

Heaven forbid she was 19 at one point in her life.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

I still can't figure out where the mystery hand is coming from.

I don't know either. All I know is where it's going

[CaptainCrunch]

That cheatin thing

[darklord700]

http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/col...ver-speaks-out

“For the (media) to come to my house, and put that on national TV, and for people to know where I live, opened up a lot of vulnerability toward a senior and a child and myself.

This is what's wrong with her. Can't stand the heat, don't be a politician. And using a senior and a kid as shield just because the media knocking on your door isn't an honorable thing to do.

And your are a MLA and you object to be put on TV?

[Aeneas]

Didn't that NDP young lady elected in Quebec turn into a very good MP after all?
Can't remember her name, think she never made an effort and was in Vegas election night.

Here's hoping.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by darklord700

http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/col...ver-speaks-out

“For the (media) to come to my house, and put that on national TV, and for people to know where I live, opened up a lot of vulnerability toward a senior and a child and myself.

This is what's wrong with her. Can't stand the heat, don't be a politician. And using a senior and a kid as shield just because the media knocking on your door isn't an honorable thing to do.

And your are a MLA and you object to be put on TV?

Did you even read it? Did you comprehend the context of that quote? How does that article not make you feel positive?

Sounds like she handled the heat. But you clearly didn't read past the one line that got you right back in the thread ready to tear her another new one.

I swear, the more people like you hate her, the more I like her. It's frustrating, but also hilarious to watch people just hate someone so relentlessly. WHAT? She dun did that there thing back then? Well ain't no way she'll ever do anything right ever again.

This thread shouldn't have lasted beyond the post that cleared her of it's supposed transgression, but like a champ, you come along with another attempt at bringing her down, ironically with an article that actually makes me think more of her, not less.

PS, tidy up your grammar. That last sentence of yours reads like something out of Trailer Park Boys.

[The Goon]

I have no idea if my MLA wrote a holiday message. I assume so, but if he were to say he blew it off to go see Star Wars, I would care equally as little. Who reads those?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Yep, for an MLA.

Dude, she said JKJKJKJK!

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I swear, the more people like you hate her, the more I like her. It's frustrating, but also hilarious to watch people just hate someone so relentlessly. WHAT? She dun did that there thing back then? Well ain't no way she'll ever do anything right ever again.

I must apologize for holding elected officials to higher behavior standards, social decorum and moral values. Your post has fully convinced me that our legislative assembly, senate or parliament should be a paid training ground for individuals regardless if some of them might be considered delinquent, unemployable or wayward in another social setting. We should share all the love in our heart and see the good and only the good in everyone, sing from the top of our lung and rejoice, every day and every moment of our life. Please spread this message if you care about the environment and the world our children shall inherit from us.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by darklord700

I must apologize for holding elected officials to higher behavior standards, social decorum and moral values. Your post has fully convinced me that our legislation assembly, senate or parliament should be a paid training ground for individuals regardless if some of them might be considered delinquent, unemployable or wayward in another social setting. We should share all the love in our heart and see the good and only the good in everyone, sing from the top of our lung and rejoice, every day and every moment of our life. Please spread this message if you care about the environment and the world our children shall inherit from us.

I mean, sarcasm aside, it'd be a better option than actively creating issues to be mad about.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by The Goon

I have no idea if my MLA wrote a holiday message. I assume so, but if he were to say he blew it off to go see Star Wars, I would care equally as little. Who reads those?

My MLA sent me a Christmas card and I'm not a member of the party. I'm not sure if it was targeted mailing or if it was sent to every house. It was directly addressed to me and not just our household and my significant other didn't get one. For some reason my MLA really cares about me.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by darklord700

I must apologize for holding elected officials to higher behavior standards, social decorum and moral values. Your post has fully convinced me that our legislation assembly, senate or parliament should be a paid training ground for individuals regardless if some of them might be considered delinquent, unemployable or wayward in another social setting. We should share all the love in our heart and see the good and only the good in everyone, sing from the top of our lung and rejoice, every day and every moment of our life. Please spread this message if you care about the environment and the world our children shall inherit from us.

Great post. Goes to the heart of the NDP cheerleader crowd reasoning.

BTW, Don Braid wrote an article about Drever in today's Herald. "Awww, I'm a girl that made a few mistakes in my tough life, give me a break and leave me alone. I am so tired of all the attention I am getting.". He did say there that there is no doubt NDP will take Drever back this year. So, her removal was just for show, just as WR said. Which was at the core of this incident and the public attention it has gotten. Not the "mishap" of the holiday message, which nobody really cares about or reads.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

He did say there that there is no doubt NDP will take Drever back this year. So, her removal was just for show, just as WR said. Which was at the core of this incident and the public attention it has gotten.

I kinda figured her domestic abuse bill was handed to her by the party. Maybe she came up with it on her own but I could totally see it being softball they tossed up for her - makes it all look pretty when they "reinstate" her.