Ramo – Hypothetical Question

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Ramo reportedly had offers elsewhere last summer so the Flames had to give him extra to stay. In the grand scheme of things, the dollars don't matter since it was a 1-year deal anyway.

I agree he's not worth that dough, but the Flames needed an NHL goalie. Can you imagine if they ran with Ortio and Hiller?

Ramo must have a pretty smooth talking agent.

He has turned a very underwhelming AHL/NHL stint followed by a few good years in the KHL into two fat NHL contracts that were not worthy of his resume or his abilities.

Should the Flames bring him back? No. Never. Not a chance.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Looking at Ramo's career stats, he played for 3 seasons with a lousy Tampa team and never posted a sv% over .900. After his KHL stint, returning with the Flames, it has been acceptable at over .910 the first 2 years.

I don't put entirely on him the stats from the beginning of the year when the whole team was a mess. He has put together a very good streak behind an improved team, and has made some huge saves at big times.

Hiller has a material weakness that is spending half the game on his knees and that isn't getting fixed as far as I can tell. I like the Finnish school of goaltending. Catch as much as you can, rebounds to the corners, and butterfly is a move, not a style.

I am in the camp that sees him as a solid piece of a NHL tandem

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Looking at Ramo's career stats, he played for 3 seasons with a lousy Tampa team and never posted a sv% over .900. After his KHL stint, returning with the Flames, it has been acceptable at over .910 the first 2 years.

I don't put entirely on him the stats from the beginning of the year when the whole team was a mess. He has put together a very good streak behind an improved team, and has made some huge saves at big times.

Hiller has a material weakness that is spending half the game on his knees and that isn't getting fixed as far as I can tell. I like the Finnish school of goaltending. Catch as much as you can, rebounds to the corners, and butterfly is a move, not a style.

I am in the camp that sees him as a solid piece of a NHL tandem

I don't disagree with anything you said, but you're omitting long sections of play where he overcommits, completely loses his net, and has a propensity for letting in very weak goals.

I've been very satisfied with Ramo over the last few weeks, but he was legitimately terrible at times this year too, hence why he was sent down to Stockton.

I've always said that when he's on, he's a legitimate NHL starter, and that can last for weeks at a time. However, there have been points in every single season where he's completely lost the plot and looked like an AHL backup. Those stretches can last for 2-3 weeks at a time, and you need a contingency plan for those stretches. Last year it was Hiller. This year it's not, and what makes it worse is that Ortio has really faltered as well when he was supposed to be a solid 3rd option.

To me, the biggest crime a goalie can commit is to be inconsistent for long stretches of time. A few games, yup, nobody's perfect. Weeks on end, nope, cannot abide.

That's the only reason I'd like to move on from Ramo.

[Poe969]

Ramo is what he is, an average goalie. He can have amazing games and he can have stinkers but he seems to have more of the stinker type games and that brings his value down to average at best. The Flames need to move on from him, there are lots of average goalies out there with potential. Ramo did have potential and the Flames gambled on him to be more and he just wasn't. IF the Flames can get a legit starter it would be great but if they can't, I still think they should try someone else. I'd rather have a different average goalie with potential instead of an average goalie who's potential is to only be average.

[StrykerSteve]

If he finishes with a GAA under 2.5 and a SP over .910, you re-sign him.

[Armchair Quarterback]

"Can he stop pucks?"

OP, fyp. This is the hypothetical Ramo question.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

If he finishes with a GAA under 2.5 and a SP over .910, you re-sign him.

Not directed at you, but at everyone that is quoting stats as a gauge: why?

Why does some set of numbers say yes, re-sign him?

For me, the only sensible strategy is sign the best goalie available for their needs. What he did/does this year is irrelevant.

[Erick Estrada]

Flames are on a six game winning streak so I would say not exactly the time to expect many level headed responses. The team will eventually lose and good Ramo will eventually become bad Ramo and opinions will change like the wind. As was said by the poster above we will have to wait until the end of the season to even consider Ramo playing for this organization past this season.

[The Hendog]

Originally Posted by Armchair Quarterback

"Can he stop pucks?"

OP, fyp. This is the hypothetical Ramo question.

Quality contribution -

[Armchair Quarterback]

Originally Posted by The Hendog

Quality contribution -

Joke aside, I would not re-sign him. He would have to have an amazing second half of the season. As far as I'm concerned he hasn't even stolen a game yet, although he was really solid against Nashville.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Not directed at you, but at everyone that is quoting stats as a gauge: why?

Why does some set of numbers say yes, re-sign him?

For me, the only sensible strategy is sign the best goalie available for their needs. What he did/does this year is irrelevant.

Stats don't tell the whole story, but they do a good job of reflecting how consistent a goalie is. Ramo's stats in the first quarter of the season weren't pretty, so if he can turn things around and finish the year with numbers above the marks I mentioned, it means he played a terrific second half.

If he finishes strong, and maintains a high level of play, I don't see a reason not to sign him, especially considering he'd still be relatively affordable, which Calgary will need with the money they're going to need to throw at their younger players and a salary cap that doesn't look to be going up.

[tvp2003]