[GDT] Flames vs. Bruins, 7 pm, SNF

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Itse

Considering the amount of flak Boston got for it's moves in the summer, it's interesting to note that they seem to be about as good or even slightly better than last season.

Chara remembering how to play hockey didn't hurt them. And their powerplay is the best in the league.

[AC]

Hartley can't bring anybody else up.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Itse

Considering the amount of flak Boston got for it's moves in the summer, it's interesting to note that they seem to be about as good or even slightly better than last season.

I would say the biggest reason for that is that Krejci isn't injured like he was last year. He's also playing really good. Over a point per game I think

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by polak

Why the hell won't Hartley bring up someone else!!!!??? God I am starting to despise him.

"Raymond in... Hmm he's crap, alright lets try Bollig.... Hmm not much better, alright well lets give Raymond another shot.... Hmm well that wasn't great, Bollig?.... ####.... Mason! You're in.... Aw damn that was bad. I have an idea! Bollig!"

Hartley is bad and he should feel bad.

You realize Hartley doesn't make roster decisions - he makes lineup decisions.

You also realize he doesn't make all lineup decisions based on who's bad - he makes them on the style of play expected in the game, injuries and getting guys ice time (like Smid last game).

Your complaint about not bringing someone up is better aimed at Treliving. But then, you don't have an irrational hate for him.

[AcGold]

wtf is Hartley doing, he was ready to try anything last year and we discovered the potential of Ferland, Bouma and Johnny. Now he's jamming square blocks into round holes and it ain't working, stop playing Bollig and Raymond ffs, especially Raymond. He's getting powerplay minutes and being iced during crucial moments of the game. Sure Hartley can't actually send them down but don't many teams have 4th liners that never play? I'd take 60 minutes of Backlund over 1 shift of Raymond.

[Muta]

I've never really taken seriously the Flames' motto of 'Always earned, never given', considering some guys get repeated chances (Raymond and Bollig) and aren't earning it. At all. Derek Grant, a guy who did 'earn' it, IMO, should be with the team over these two bums.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Muta

I've never really taken seriously the Flames' motto of 'Always earned, never given', considering some guys get repeated chances (Raymond and Bollig) and aren't earning it. At all. Derek Grant, a guy who did 'earn' it, IMO, should be with the team over these two bums.

It seems like when a roster spot opens up, Grant will be back. There's only so much to be done in the immediate.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Muta

I've never really taken seriously the Flames' motto of 'Always earned, never given', considering some guys get repeated chances (Raymond and Bollig) and aren't earning it. At all. Derek Grant, a guy who did 'earn' it, IMO, should be with the team over these two bums.

Derek Grant is a centre, brought up to play that position. He played generally OK in his 9 games, but was also terrible (especially in his second last game).

What winger would you bring up to play over Bollig and/or Raymond?

[FBI]

I would bring ANY winger up from Stockton to play over Raymond.

[polak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You realize Hartley doesn't make roster decisions - he makes lineup decisions.

You also realize he doesn't make all lineup decisions based on who's bad - he makes them on the style of play expected in the game, injuries and getting guys ice time (like Smid last game).

Your complaint about not bringing someone up is better aimed at Treliving. But then, you don't have an irrational hate for him.

Pretty sure it's the coach who decides who he calls up? At the very least he could ask Treliving to call up somebody, anybody other than rotating the same two players over and over again. If it is solely on Treliving then my hate is directed towards him. It's ridiculous that those two are getting switched back and forth.

My hate for Hartley is not irrational. It's a rational choice based on the logic that any coach that provides no benefit to the team in terms of his system, motivation or lineup decisions and is responsible for us having the 29th ranked PP (only .7% above 30th, while 3% behind 28th) and THE WORST PK in the entire league deserves hate. Lots of hate. He is the worst coach in the league this season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by polak

Pretty sure it's the coach who decides who he calls up? At the very least he could ask Treliving to call up somebody, anybody other than rotating the same two players over and over again. If it is solely on Treliving then my hate is directed towards him. It's ridiculous that those two are getting switched back and forth.

My hate for Hartley is not irrational. It's a rational choice based on the logic that any coach that provides no benefit to the team in terms of his system, motivation or lineup decisions and is responsible for us having the 29th ranked PP (only .7% above 30th, while 3% behind 28th) and THE WORST PK in the entire league deserves hate. Lots of hate. He is the worst coach in the league this season.

Nope.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Derek Grant is a centre, brought up to play that position. He played generally OK in his 9 games, but was also terrible (especially in his second last game).

What winger would you bring up to play over Bollig and/or Raymond?

Grant. Put him on the wing.

[Monahan For Mayor]

The thing that ticks me off with Hartley is... Raymond will sit for 5 games. Once he gets played he gets more important minutes than Bennett. Is fire him right there. That's just plain stupid.

This coming from one of the biggest Hartley defenders until last game.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

The thing that ticks me off with Hartley is... Raymond will sit for 5 games. Once he gets played he gets more important minutes than Bennett. Is fire him right there. That's just plain stupid.

This coming from one of the biggest Hartley defenders until last game.

This drives me crazy too. Both that Raymond is put in during big moments and that Bennett is not. Has he been given a shift in 3 on 3 yet this year? I mean you can't fault our record in overtime but I disagree with the decision.

Notwithstanding GioforPM's defence of every decision Hartley has ever made and claims of the incapacity of anyone except for Hartley himself to understand the labyrinthine intricacies of the mind of Bob Hartley, you have to question some of his decisions and think he is running out of ideas.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ.

Do we have to have the same arguments every time Bollig or Raymond play in a game? They're obviously not going anywhere this season guys. They rotate in and out as the extra forward in the lineup. They are not the determining factor for success on this team, nor is any 4th line forward on any team in the league.

Get. Over. It.

[dissentowner]

I love how everyone is a much bigger expert than a coach that has won a SC and the Jack Adams award,

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ.

Do we have to have the same arguments every time Bollig or Raymond play in a game? They're obviously not going anywhere this season guys. They rotate in and out as the extra forward in the lineup. They are not the determining factor for success on this team, nor is any 4th line forward on any team in the league.

Get. Over. It.

The problem is they are being miss managed when they play. Getting way to many minutes.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ.

Do we have to have the same arguments every time Bollig or Raymond play in a game? They're obviously not going anywhere this season guys. They rotate in and out as the extra forward in the lineup. They are not the determining factor for success on this team, nor is any 4th line forward on any team in the league.

Get. Over. It.

It's too important to complain about Raymond's 7 seconds of OT time. Which is the only "important" time he got over Bennett, seeing as how they both were on the powerplay together.

[polak]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I love how everyone is a much bigger expert than a coach that has won a SC and the Jack Adams award,

Yeah he's really showing that the deserved either of those accolades and wasn't just a byproduct of an unbelievably stacked Av's team and flash in the pan, everything went right, Flames team.

EDIT: You know what. That's not fair. He's probably better than what I'm giving him credit for but it's the guys job to have a plan and he doesn't seem to have anything. He is simply not earning his keep.

[TomLeeMC]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ.

Do we have to have the same arguments every time Bollig or Raymond play in a game? They're obviously not going anywhere this season guys. They rotate in and out as the extra forward in the lineup. They are not the determining factor for success on this team, nor is any 4th line forward on any team in the league.

Get. Over. It.

This. I love the boohoo cycle with these two. They are not going anywhere, and if they were being traded it's not because of their play in the press box..... If you want other teams to have interest in either of these two, they need to play.

Missing the 1st and 2nd due to beer league, should be able to catch a very entertaining 3rd! GFG! 4-2 Flames, Dougie with GWG.