11-06-2015, 01:47 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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I think the gaudreau-Monahan pairing is what's best for team. Monahan will find his stride very soon. If Bennett can keep playing like he has... He has the potential to drive the offence of his line. Would like to see this:
Gaudreau-Monahan-hudler
Colbourne-Bennett-frolik
Grant-backlund-Jones
Bollig-stajan-jorris
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11-06-2015, 01:57 PM
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#43
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#1 Goaltender
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Isn't that a really quick recovery for a sprained MCL?
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11-06-2015, 01:58 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
Practically nobody on this team is that bad that their best game is still worse than another player's best game. Phanuthier is right.
Bollig has had 2 good games I thought where he positively impacted the game. If it coincided with one of the 2 absolute tire-fire games by Giordano, then I would say that Bollig was a better player that game than Giordano. Doesn't mean that Bollig is suddenly a more important cog now or in the future - just that nobody on the team is THAT terrible to be worse than another player who has a terrible game.
Heck, Raymond was one of the better players on the ice at least once, and I think he shouldn't be on the team any longer.
As for Ferland - there may not be a bigger fan of his than me. He is still young and learning what it means to be an NHL'er. He also may have had a nagging injury too with the style of game he is playing. Bollig having a game or two in which he was the better player doesn't mean that Ferland is garbage. Everyone (excluding Gaudreau and Brodie thus far) have had 'garbage' games where they have negatively impacted the game, and conversely practically everyone on the team - Bollig and Raymond included - have had games where they positively impacted the game.
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I actually think Raymond has been better this year than last, and Bollig might be the same. Of course, the bar was really really low.
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11-06-2015, 02:22 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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The hate-on for Bollig is ridiculous. He played great minutes for his role last night. It's like some of you think that the only metric to value a player is skill. You can't roll 12 Michael Grabners. That's just not how hockey works.
Furthermore, it's not Brandon Bollig's fault that this team is 4-9-1. It's also not Mason Raymond's fault. Or Deryk Engelland's.
It sure would be nice to ice a team of Johnny Gaudreaus, but that's not possible, and you don't put a skilled player with top-6 upside and defensive acumen issues and no physical play on the 4th line.
Get over it already.
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11-06-2015, 02:23 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Let's be honest, Ferland hasn't really stood out much in a positive way.
To be fair, same can be said for the entire team, so let's hope everyone's turning the corner after that ugly-ass win last night.
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11-06-2015, 02:36 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Five-hole
The hate-on for Bollig is ridiculous. He played great minutes for his role last night. It's like some of you think that the only metric to value a player is skill. You can't roll 12 Michael Grabners. That's just not how hockey works.
Furthermore, it's not Brandon Bollig's fault that this team is 4-9-1. It's also not Mason Raymond's fault. Or Deryk Engelland's.
It sure would be nice to ice a team of Johnny Gaudreaus, but that's not possible, and you don't put a skilled player with top-6 upside and defensive acumen issues and no physical play on the 4th line.
Get over it already.
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I'm getting sick of the negativity around Bollig and Engelland.
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11-06-2015, 03:14 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
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I'm getting sick of the negativity around Bollig and Engelland.
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Engelland and Brodie are the only d-men that are not minus players.
Stats don't tell the whole story of course, but I don't think Engelland has been as bad as many think he is. This dating back to when Gio went down last season.
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11-06-2015, 03:22 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Engelland has been fine as a bottom pairing Dman.
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11-06-2015, 03:25 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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The only problem people (should) have with Engelland is the money he makes. Which is high, but not even that bad and it's short term.
There are bigger problems with this team than our bottom dman and extra forward.
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11-06-2015, 03:33 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by MattyC
The only problem people (should) have with Engelland is the money he makes. Which is high, but not even that bad and it's short term.
There are bigger problems with this team than our bottom dman and extra forward.
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Precisely. They're being paid a fair bit because we needed them more when they started and that will get sorted out well before it becomes a problem.
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11-06-2015, 05:35 PM
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Gotta be honest, I liked this top-six and would try it again.
Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett
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11-06-2015, 05:53 PM
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The only problem I have with Engelland is when he plays with Wideman. Terrifying.
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11-06-2015, 06:04 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fort St. John, BC
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I liked Bollig and Engelland last night. Wish they played that mean every night
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11-06-2015, 06:21 PM
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Franchise Player
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Yeah a guy like Engelland is not the teams problem. He is serviceable as a bottom pairing Dman. You can make similar comments of others on the team (Smid, Stajan, Bollig).
Let's hope Treliving has now realized you can't overpay for these guys. They are seldom the difference between winning and losing.
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11-06-2015, 06:28 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
...Let's hope Treliving has now realized you can't overpay for these guys. They are seldom the difference between winning and losing.
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I seriously doubt that when these contracts were signed it was Treliving's intentions and beliefs that they were the missing ingredients to turn the Flames into a contender. At the time, the team needed filler while awaiting the development and emergence of many of its young players and prospects. The problem with the contracts is that some of these players have emerged more quickly than anticipated. This is generally a good problem to have, but also a very difficult one to plan for with much precision.
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11-06-2015, 06:59 PM
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I seriously doubt that when these contracts were signed it was Treliving's intentions and beliefs that they were the missing ingredients to turn the Flames into a contender. At the time, the team needed filler while awaiting the development and emergence of many of its young players and prospects. The problem with the contracts is that some of these players have emerged more quickly than anticipated. This is generally a good problem to have, but also a very difficult one to plan for with much precision.
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If he thought they were "filler" then overpaying is an even bigger mistake. The problem with the contracts is not the emergence of other players. The problem with the contracts is they are bad contracts.
I don't believe these are monumental mistakes but I don't think we need to rationalize them either.
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11-06-2015, 07:46 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: CGY
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Sorry if mistaken but, at the time wasn't the engelland deal suppose to keep us above at the minimum salary cap?
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11-06-2015, 07:56 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Sorry if mistaken but, at the time wasn't the engelland deal suppose to keep us above at the minimum salary cap?
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Hiller's deal did that easily.
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11-06-2015, 07:59 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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If I recall Trelvings comments on the Engelland signing, the ticket price paid for leadership and stability. He's stable. Not the best at anything but certainly hasn't been the worst either. Big pirce to pay for a solid bottom pairing dude but whats done is done. And as Darren Haynes has pointed out, he's the least of CGY's problems right now. He's been steady eddie.
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