Which goalie do you start against the Avalanche?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by adc

Who said anything about abandoning it?

I want them to focus on long term instead of short term.

For me 16-17, 17-18 are more important than this year so if we have to take a step back now to improve ourselves for those two years then that is what should be done.

Ummm...you did. What else does it mean?

Originally Posted by you

As a fan I sure hope they don't think they have any obligation to make the play-offs this year.

Just because they try and make a playoff birth this season doesn't mean they cant do so the following seasons...what a strange thing to say. I'm really not sure how taking a step back means better going forward either. This is a pretty youthful team that needs all the experience they can get and the playoffs offer that up like nothing else.

[foshizzle11]

I think it will be Ramo. He got the win. I wasn't 100% happy with his performance last night but he got the win.

Give him another chance at the helm. If he wins again then we ride him until he falters.

Or Treliving makes a trade by then and that goalie starts.

[adc]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Ummm...you did. What else does it mean?

It means that if playing Ortio gives them less of a chance to make the play-offs this year but a better shot at knowing if he is good enough to keep as a starter than they should play Ortio. (not that I think playing Ramo gives them a better chance.)

If they can trade Wideman and/or Russell for a player that may not play this year but will be a key guy in a year or two they should do it.

Just because I don't care if they make the play-offs or not doesn't mean they should just give up but making the play-offs should definitely be less of a priority to making the team better long term.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Its all about confidence right now. Ramo won so gets the next one.

We need one of these guys to believe in themselves. A two or three game win streak will accomplish that.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well he did say he was a huge supporter of Ortio, with "was" all in caps. So I assumed that meant he no longer supports him.

In any case, what's more interesting to me than who gets the next start is who gets sent down when Hiller is back.

You are always so pleasant. Never change.

[Matty81]

Ortio has been bad but deserves more of a chance to get in a groove like Hiller and Ramo have had.

Against any other team in the league we would have lost last night with that goaltending.

That said I won't be choked if Ramo gets the start, maybe he is feeling a little more confident.

[GullFoss]

Imbof the view that win or lose ramo should get the next 5 starts. This team needs stability in net. Ramo is the best of the three...just needs some confidence. Take the pressure off the guy and tell him hes the starter.

[Vinny01]

Ramo won so I guess him but neither goalie is instilling any confidence

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

You are always so pleasant. Never change.

Sorry if I came across as grumpy. As the biggest Ortio supporter on here and as a guy who claimed to have followed him closely in the AHL last year, I am curious as to why you would not want him to have more starts. Like I said, he's only played twice.

[sirbert]

In a position where you need to react in less than half a second confidence is such a big commodity with these guys. As no one is really taking the reins I would sooner give Ramo the next few starts to see if he can get back on track. Tell him that he is the guy for next but and show some confidence in him. Hinsight being 20/20 the three goalies and Hartley''s win you play mentality was a perfect storm brewing to destroy any confidence that was there.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Imbof the view that win or lose ramo should get the next 5 starts. This team needs stability in net

No goalie on this team should be given a string of starts just because you want stability. You play well and win, you keep playing.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Inferno

No goalie on this team should be given a string of starts just because you want stability. You play well and win, you keep playing.

Playing well in net is in large part a mental excersise. If the last 2 months, the flames had indicared ramo would be the starter, and then decided to carrt 3 goalies (implying one of ramo or hillers fays were numbered), then went back to the win and youre in, and then demoted ramo to back up and then sent ramo to the minors.

You know who's as much to blame about our garbage goaltending as the goalies? Our coaches and GM who destroyed the working enviornment.

So...is giving ramo a string of games going to create stability. No...but its going to give him some confidence and calm down the situation.

[adc]

Originally Posted by sirbert

In a position where you need to react in less than half a second confidence is such a big commodity with these guys. As no one is really taking the reins I would sooner give Ramo the next few starts to see if he can get back on track. Tell him that he is the guy for next but and show some confidence in him. Hinsight being 20/20 the three goalies and Hartley''s win you play mentality was a perfect storm brewing to destroy any confidence that was there.

Back on track to what?

He wasn't very good in the two years prior to this.

[Bezer]

I took choice 3 "Doesn't matter.." but because I have zero faith in any goalie that has played for the Flames this season.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Playing well in net is in large part a mental excersise. If the last 2 months, the flames had indicared ramo would be the starter, and then decided to carrt 3 goalies (implying one of ramo or hillers fays were numbered), then went back to the win and youre in, and then demoted ramo to back up and then sent ramo to the minors.

It always was win and you're in and it was common knowledge all summer that either Hiller or Ramo would be dealt because of Ortio's 1 way contract. It was just a matter of who played better. Hiller did so Ramo was the guy who was sent down. Ramo didn't get the first start of the season because he was declared the starter this season. All three were pretty much playing the same but only one could go in so he picked Ramo.

You know who's as much to blame about our garbage goaltending as the goalies? Our coaches and GM who destroyed the working enviornment.

That working environment was no different than last season. The only one it really sucked for was Ortio because he waited much longer than he should have for a shot.

So...is giving ramo a string of games going to create stability. No...but its going to give him some confidence and calm down the situation.

"All earned, never given"

He shouldn't just be given a string of starts to try and give him confidence. He needs to play well to earn those starts. So far this season he hasn't. I didn't think he played well last night but he wasn't awful either and got the win so he gets another shot.

[calumniate]

Ram bams

[locsofblu]

Who's ever turn it is to #### the bed.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It always was win and you're in and it was common knowledge all summer that either Hiller or Ramo would be dealt because of Ortio's 1 way contract. It was just a matter of who played better. Hiller did so Ramo was the guy who was sent down. Ramo didn't get the first start of the season because he was declared the starter this season. All three were pretty much playing the same but only one could go in so he picked Ramo.



That working environment was no different than last season. The only one it really sucked for was Ortio because he waited much longer than he should have for a shot.



"All earned, never given"

He shouldn't just be given a string of starts to try and give him confidence. He needs to play well to earn those starts. So far this season he hasn't. I didn't think he played well last night but he wasn't awful either and got the win so he gets another shot.

It was common knowledge that hiller would be dealt. They didnt sign ramo to a 1yr contract just to trade him before the season started. They signed him to be the starter.

And again...dealt. hiller was to be dealt. Not sent to the minors. Not a 3 goalie clown show. The fact that hiller couldnt be traded...miscalculation by management.

And then to send ramo down after 3 games is an embarrassment. Basically managment made a mistake on assessing the marketability of hiller, panicked when the 3 goalie circus turned into a clown show, and then threw ramo under the minor league bus even though hiller was playing just as bad and the team defence was attrotious.

So we can talk all we want about win and youre in being fair or how the goalies should have the mental fortitude to play well no matter the situation. Or about how good things only happen to good people. Or about how everything should aways be earned.

Or we can assess the situatiom realistically. There are 3 goalies playing poorly. Russel, wideman and gio have all had awful games. Brodie was out. Hamilton is playing terrible. The team is finally turnjng a corner. And our best waybout of this is for Ramo to get hot. And if he needs to be coddled for that to happen then so be it. Only one thing matters: getting wins

[adc]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It was common knowledge that hiller would be dealt. They didnt sign ramo to a 1yr contract just to trade him before the season started. They signed him to be the starter.

And again...dealt. hiller was to be dealt. Not sent to the minors. Not a 3 goalie clown show. The fact that hiller couldnt be traded...miscalculation by management.

And then to send ramo down after 3 games is an embarrassment. Basically managment made a mistake on assessing the marketability of hiller, panicked when the 3 goalie circus turned into a clown show, and then threw ramo under the minor league bus even though hiller was playing just as bad and the team defence was attrotious.

So we can talk all we want about win and youre in being fair or how the goalies should have the mental fortitude to play well no matter the situation. Or about how good things only happen to good people. Or about how everything should aways be earned.

Or we can assess the situatiom realistically. There are 3 goalies playing poorly. Russel, wideman and gio have all had awful games. Brodie was out. Hamilton is playing terrible. The team is finally turnjng a corner. And our best waybout of this is for Ramo to get hot. And if he needs to be coddled for that to happen then so be it. Only one thing matters: getting wins

It was?

I follow this board, listen to the FAN, have many of the rumour guys on twitter as well as guys who follow the Flames and I never heard that for sure Hiller was going to be moved.

I heard rumours that was the plan but I also heard they signed Ramo because they had concerns about Ortio as well which is why Ramo and HIller were given the shot first.

Also not sure why when Ramo is the worst of the 3 our best chance is for him to get hot. That seems like the most unlikely thing to happen.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It was common knowledge that hiller would be dealt. They didnt sign ramo to a 1yr contract just to trade him before the season started. They signed him to be the starter.

And again...dealt. hiller was to be dealt. Not sent to the minors. Not a 3 goalie clown show. The fact that hiller couldnt be traded...miscalculation by management.

No, it was pure assumption by Ramo supporters that Hiller was getting dealt. There was absolutely nothing reported that suggested Hiller was close to being dealt other than the story imagined in their heads.