Give Jon Gillies 1 game.

[Believer]

I am of the opinion that we're ****** this year. It took me this long to come to that conclusion. There are 3 main reasons I believe that.

Luck
Systems - (Defenseman wanting to play offense)
Goaltending

Luck - Were obviously not getting bounces as much so far. I'm not overly concerned about the first 13 games. It helps make the grey shadow black however.

Systems - Our year following the breakout of the Flames did not go unrecognized by the rest of the league. That is only the tip of the iceberg though. It feels like out own players had a nice summer of imagining the best plays from the previous year without remembering the hard work that made those things happen in the first place. Much like us fans and semi fans who only watch the highlight reels. A likening to our "what have you done for me lately" adhd generation? I feel like the coach has lost the room in a way. Like they players aren't taking things seriously enough to shore up the mistakes! Bob is a great coach but I have to question his ability to grab the team by the neck right now. Defensive zone coverage is another problem. Our defense is so excited to be able to jump up in the rush they aren't focused on our own end. I attribute that to the coaching staff it's their job to keep the d in line. Hamilton saying that he wanted to come here to play in this offensive system comes to mind! These guys need to focus on the D first not everyone is a TJ Brodie or Johhny Gaudreau!

Goal - Make a big save plz!

[Daradon]

Yeah... no.

Also, Ken Dryden? You do realize how different the game and especially the goaltending position is now. Completely irrelevant.

[robbie111]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Yeah... no.

Also, Ken Dryden? You do realize how different the game and especially the goaltending position is now. Completely irrelevant.

I know the game has changed and goaltending styles have as well but Dryden was considered a large very athletic goalie when he first came up and that is who Gillies reminds me of. I've seen Gillies play and he has the athleticism that very few large goalies have.

What do you all think is going to happen to Gillies if he came up and played one game. Do you think it would destroy him as a goaltender??? That it would set back his development by years???

Using that logic if he had a great game it would boost his development to Vezina candidate this year.

Just would like to see him for 1 game.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by robbie111

I know the game has changed and goaltending styles have as well but Dryden was considered a large very athletic goalie when he first came up and that is who Gillies reminds me of. I've seen Gillies play and he has the athleticism that very few large goalies have.

What do you all think is going to happen to Gillies if he came up and played one game. Do you think it would destroy him as a goaltender??? That it would set back his development by years???

Using that logic if he had a great game it would boost his development to Vezina candidate this year.

Just would like to see him for 1 game.

Not really, consistency and confidence are the hardest part of a goaltenders game. There is no inverse relationship to that. Just framing the opposite, doesn't make sense and isn't a good argument. You can screw him up, but one great game will not make him a Vezina candidate. Brathwaite got two shutouts to start his career with Calgary. As much as I liked him as a person and a player, he was nowhere near a Vezina candidate. In fact, he didn't even make it as a starter for good.

I get that people get excited about the next new thing, but really, there is a ton to lose here, and not much to gain.

[Calgary4LIfe]

The only time that Gillies should be up on the Flames this season is if 2 of Hiller/Ramo/Ortio are hurt, and Gillies is brought in to sit on the bench.

Outside of that, if the Flames are out of it, then you give him a game at the end of the season (and even then, only depending on how Stockton is doing - they would have to be out of it as well) just to give him a taste of the NHL. A TASTE.

The last thing you do is bring a first-year pro goalie up on a team that is NOT playing well, that have 3 other goalies that last year (and not even counting Hiller who has a long track record of being mid .91x) all with SV% above .908, and who are all now below .870, and expect him to turn it around.

That is how you ruin Gillies or anyone else. The team needs to be playing better. Then I bet the current goalies get their game more together as well.

[T@T]

Bring him up, Gillies is the next Roy

[adc]

Originally Posted by robbie111

I know the game has changed and goaltending styles have as well but Dryden was considered a large very athletic goalie when he first came up and that is who Gillies reminds me of. I've seen Gillies play and he has the athleticism that very few large goalies have.

What do you all think is going to happen to Gillies if he came up and played one game. Do you think it would destroy him as a goaltender??? That it would set back his development by years???

Using that logic if he had a great game it would boost his development to Vezina candidate this year.

Just would like to see him for 1 game.

What would it do?

Take him out of his comfort zone that he is developing in the AHL and hurt his confidence. Gillies has shown that he still has a lot to work on at the AHL level and the Flames have shown that they have a lot more issues than goaltending.

There is a reason players are kept in the minors and developed there and not brought up for the hell of it.

It is a move with zero upside and lots of risk.

[Resolute 14]

Panic moves are always stupid. Always. You don't rush a guy you hope to be your future star goalie because robbie111 has absolutely no patience with a team that is - believe it or not - still rebuilding.

[The Hendog]

Pretty sure we need this guy

[madmike]

This year is pretty much a writeoff. Looking at advanced stats, the Flames should be quite a bit better than they were last year. But nothing is going their way. They're not converting enough of their chances and every chance against them is going in.

The goaltending has been awful so far - there's really no other way to describe it. It's bad enough that the Flames could likely sign some random guy from the ECHL and not miss a beat. But it's not their only problem and I don't see a point in making a panic move this year.

They might as well ride this out, trade expiring contracts for picks and load up for next year.

[EverfresH15]

I am not in favour of brining up Gillies at all, but, IF and that's s big IF, you did for 1 game and that facked up his head/confidence then there are bigger issues there. Goaltending is an issue, but the bigger issue is our team defense.

[GirlySports]

Keep playing Ramo, I thought he played well last night. 36 saves and none of the goals were really his fault. He'll get better since he's the #1 right now.

[erikk3]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Keep playing Ramo, I thought he played well last night. 36 saves and none of the goals were really his fault. He'll get better since he's the #1 right now.

Maybe no complete stinkers, but you can't expect to win games when the opposition scores on every scoring chance they have

[skudr248]

Hurt his confidence? What are we talking about a 14 year old girl? Seriously...

[adc]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Hurt his confidence? What are we talking about a 14 year old girl? Seriously...

You don't think that if he comes up here and gets lit up for 5 goals a game he doesn't start to question a. if he is good enough to make it b. if how he is playing is the right way or c. if the team screwed him by throwing him to the wolves.

My biggest concern would be b. he starts changing his style because he thinks that is the issue.

There is a reason why teams have guys go to the minors and spend time there, it works. There are things to learn at the minor league level before you get to the NHL.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Ramo is not a terrible goalie. He's a goalie that let in a terrible goal in a winnable game and got run out of town.

He's also a pro and to some degree a vet. He's who we go with now, with the hope he can find his game.

The book is out on Ramo. Shoot blocker side high and you will score EVERY time. Heck if you make him move even a little bit laterally you will score. Five hole, score. The guy is just not an NHL quality goal tender you can win with.

[rhino]

Ramo 4.43 GAA 871 Save %
Hiller 3.68 and 861
Ortio 4.26 and 868

Gillies 2.45 and 916

Maybe they take chance for a game or 2

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by rhino

Maybe they take chance for a game or 2

Only if they want to have four goalies with terrible NHL stats right now. I doubt very much that Hartley and Treliving are that shortsighted.