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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ruttiger

Top 5 on the Flames or top 5 in the NHL? One is believable, the other most certainly not.

Why is it unbelievable?

He has looked far and away like the best player on the team in the first two games of the new season. He had long stretches last year where he was easily the best player for the Flames. He is only 22-years-old, and is already a dominant top line player. There is no good reason not to expect him to be a top-five player in the league very soon. I would not be surprised in the least to see it happen this season, because he really is that good.

[Benched]

not a first round pick = not a good player

obviously.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

...So the gist of your post is that you want Burke fired because you simply don't like him. That's fair as it's your opinion but seeing it was the Flames that hired Burke in the first place you would have to think they knew absolutely what they were getting and I expect to date are very happy with the returns.

I think if one reviewed my own posting history, it would show that I also have a real distaste for Brian Burke. I have for many years now thought that he was arrogant, brash, self-important, and something of an attention whore who received far too much credit for his successes in Vancouver and Anaheim. I was not thrilled when he was hired by the Flames.

Having said all that, am I ever happy that he is here. For all his many faults, there is no denying that the man knows what he is doing. He conducted a fair and successful audit, and made a lot of very good changes to upper management as a result. He arguably secured the brightest emerging star from the crop of available candidates to be the Flames General Manager, and he has done an excellent job in mentoring Craig Conroy in his first couple of years in upper management. True to his word (and against the grain of his own character) he has remained in the background since Treliving's arrival, and has not allowed his personality to take over the team. Now having had the chance to see him a little closer up since his arrival in Calgary, I am convinced that a lot of the bluster and arrogance he displays in the media has more to do with savvy business tactics than anything.

So, while I expect that Brian Burke and me still very likely would not get along on a personal level (not everyone does), the man is damn good at his job, and I am happy to concede that the Flames are much, much better off for his oversight of hockey ops.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Benched

not a first round overall pick = not a good player

obviously.

FYP.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by T@T

What? What works?, leaving Toronto and Vancouver with no prospects or the fluky cup win in Anaheim?. He's a blowhard that gets a large salary from the flames for doing absolutely nothing. And that's when he decides to grace us with his presence in our city.

I hope the powers of be finally see threw his BS and fire his ass.

I can't tell if your joking or not but maybe you missed last season? Also there is no such thing as a ''fluke'' cup win. Your post is extremely disappointing and you should be ashamed (unless you are joking).

[polak]

I'm not a Burke fan either and agree that his record as a GM is shaky at best (he inherited most of that Anaheim team the year before) but he has been great with the Flames. What ever he is or isn't doing is working. Leave it be!

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by polak

I'm not a Burke fan either and agree that his record as a GM is shaky at best (he inherited most of that Anaheim team the year before) but he has been great with the Flames. What ever he is or isn't doing is working. Leave it be!

Didn't he trade for Chris Pronger? Wasn't that the guy to get them over the hump?

Extreme hypothetical, but if the Flames win the cup this year, will we all be giving Feaster the credit and Treliving an asterisk?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Didn't he trade for Chris Pronger? Wasn't that the guy to get them over the hump?

Extreme hypothetical, but if the Flames win the cup this year, will we all be giving Feaster the credit and Treliving an asterisk?

Burke also signed Scott Niedermyer, and traded for Francois Beauchemin.

[polak]

I would definitely give some credit to Feaster, yes. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve any credit for the Ducks team, just that his work there is not enough, in my mind, to overlook the rest of his GM resume and convince me that he's an above average GM.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Burke also signed Scott Niedermyer, and traded for Francois Beauchemin.

Made sure the Canucks got both twins too. Drafting just one arguably wouldn't have worked.

[DoubleF]

IMO, Burke turned the corner in the same way Hartley did. I remember reading articles that explained why Hartley left the league after the Thrashers and it had a lot to do with his coaching style. IMO, I think Burke is making that same change as his time in Calgary gets deeper. He says some abrasive things, but I'm starting to see more and more in his interviews of him admitting mistakes. I think the article about how he hated Kessel, then began to like him after managing him for team USA was very interesting. I also liked how after the Baertschi debacle, he sat Gaudreau down last season (press box) and told him not to change his game or he'd be demoted for sure. I can't find the article, but I recall reading it somewhere.

I'm glad we have new Burke rather than old Burke.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Burke also signed Scott Niedermyer, and traded for Francois Beauchemin.

Wasn't it rumored that Scott was wanting to come to Anaheim and try to win with his brother? If that's the case, any GM could've done that.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Wasn't it rumored that Scott was wanting to come to Anaheim and try to win with his brother? If that's the case, any GM could've done that.

I don't believe that for a second. The fact is, Burke did do it, and he deserves credit for doing so. I recall interviews and reports from 2005 about how impressed Scott Niedermayer was that Burke made a personal visit to Cranbrook to ensure that he signed him. How many other GMs would have done that? It wasn't the last time either: When he was still with TML, Burke was on a flight jetting to Sweden to meet with the Sedins when they re-signed contracts with Vancouver in 2009.

[Benched]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think if one reviewed my own posting history, it would show that I also have a real distaste for Brian Burke. I have for many years now thought that he was arrogant, brash, self-important, and something of an attention whore who received far too much credit for his successes in Vancouver and Anaheim. I was not thrilled when he was hired by the Flames.

Having said all that, am I ever happy that he is here. For all his many faults, there is no denying that the man knows what he is doing. He conducted a fair and successful audit, and made a lot of very good changes to upper management as a result. He arguably secured the brightest emerging star from the crop of available candidates to be the Flames General Manager, and he has done an excellent job in mentoring Craig Conroy in his first couple of years in upper management. True to his word (and against the grain of his own character) he has remained in the background since Treliving's arrival, and has not allowed his personality to take over the team. Now having had the chance to see him a little closer up since his arrival in Calgary, I am convinced that a lot of the bluster and arrogance he displays in the media has more to do with savvy business tactics than anything.

So, while I expect that Brian Burke and me still very likely would not get along on a personal level (not everyone does), the man is damn good at his job, and I am happy to concede that the Flames are much, much better off for his oversight of hockey ops.

This.

I was very skeptical on Burke upon hearing he was hired for the Flames. I thought we were going the wrong way on that hire. Then he gets in and fires Feaster. I was like "WHAT?" (thought Feaster was doing a good job).

But where we are, how we have been operating and managing the team....I like what we're doing. So I too have swung my opinion on Burke. And if you listen to him talk, although abrasive sometimes, he clearly is intelligent and does know his stuff.

And if you watch him in the press box....is there any doubt this man wants to win? That he's invested and fully on board with the Flames? I love management that is passionate about their team and competent to go with that passion.

[868904]

What did Burke do in Vancouver that was so bad?

He laid the foundation for that 2011 cup run for them.

The Sedins, Kesler, Bieksa, Burrows, Edler, were all his acquisitions. That was pretty much the core, with the exception of Luongo and Hamhuis.

Luongo was acquired with pieces acquired by Burke too.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Yeah like how how he "tempered expectation" with Sven

Sven was snowballing downhill fast by that point. In fact, what Burke said about Gaudreau pretty much worked out perfectly after seeing how badly Sven was managed and bombed out.

[MissTeeks]

This thread was more fun when it was about Johnny instead of Brian Burke. An Eric Francis article also from yesterday:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/10/12...ohnny-gaudreau

Johnny Gaudreau has an admission to make.
"In the summer when I was younger, we'd have 3-on-3 tournaments and that was my favourite time -- I wanted the season over so I could play 3-on-3 tournaments," said the Calgary Flames winger.
"Thankfully, it's in the NHL now. I like it. It's a lot of fun for me."

With all the extra space and time, creative sorts with speed like Gaudreau would be at their very best, which is exactly what he put on display while burying the winner past Ryan Miller on a two-on-one.
"Johnny wants the puck and I think he's at his best in those moments," said head coach Bob Hartley.
"He's a pro. Last year, it was all unknown for him. This year, he knew what to expect and he prepared accordingly. The way he works and practises "¦ plus it's in him. He's a guy who wants to make a difference."

One year later, he's gone from frustrated freshman to sophomore sniper, contributing to all four Flames goals so far. Two games in, he's already matched the four points it took him 10 games to accumulate last fall.
"I think it's hard to compare the two starts -- obviously, my first five or 10 games last year were a learning experience for me," said Gaudreau, whose surge to a 64-point season from that point on is well-documented.
"I have a whole year under my belt, so it's night and day from the season's start last year. I think it's the only time in my life I've ever struggled trying to find some points there. That's never really been a problem for me, so, hopefully, I can keep it going."

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Wasn't it rumored that Scott was wanting to come to Anaheim and try to win with his brother? If that's the case, any GM could've done that.

The Flames couldn't swing a deal for Scott when we had Rob, so no,I don't think any GM could have done that.

I had my doubts about Burke coming here as well, but he has been excellent. Overhaul of the front office, keeping out of the spotlight for the most part and when he does speak out, he seems quite knowledgeable and genuine. In that Tim and Sid interview posted recently, he gave full credit to BT (and some love to Feaster as well!). If he could only manage to tie his tie, he would get full marks from me.

[Red]

The "Burke inherited the Ducks team" is so incorrect. People keep forgetting that Burke dumped Fedorov and acquired Marchand, both moves being questioned everywhere. And on top that he got the two of the best dman on the planet.

Fedorov for Beauchemin trade had many people scratch their heads, but Burke got that one right.

[CroFlames]

Well Johnny is on pace for 164 points. So not so shabby haha.