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GirlySports · 10-10-2015, 04:14 PM

Ok that left the infield.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-10-2015, 09:11 PM

Sure would be nice for the Jays to be throwing out Syndergaard for Game 3. Looking mighty good tonight for the Mets.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-10-2015, 09:47 PM

I'd say that's a dirty play by Utley, but he did his job and took a pretty good shot to the head. Things figure to get more intense now, Mets will retaliate at some point.

GirlySports · 10-10-2015, 09:51 PM

and he's ruled safe! never touched the bag.

I didn't think it was dirty, Tejada needs to get out of the way, not do a 360 fancy play.

KelVarnsen · 10-10-2015, 09:52 PM

I'd drop Utley in his next AB if I was the Mets.

JayP · 10-10-2015, 09:54 PM

One of the dirtiest plays I've seen in awhile. No idea why the MLB still let's that crap go. Not even the smallest attempt to go at the bag by Utley. That's not hard nosed - that's just attempting to injure.

The worst part is the joke umps called Utley safe when he didn't come anywhere near second base.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-10-2015, 09:55 PM

It's funny but if Utley actually tried to slide into the base he might have been safe anyway. Instead went right for Tejada. This game figures to get out of control now with the Dodgers ahead. Mets will retaliate now rather than next game.

JayP · 10-10-2015, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlySports

and he's ruled safe! never touched the bag.

I didn't think it was dirty, Tejada needs to get out of the way, not do a 360 fancy play.

Utley started his slide after the base and was not even in reaching distance of the bag. Ridiculously dirty.

EldrickOnIce · 10-10-2015, 10:14 PM

That was ugly dirty.
You keep throwing at his head until you get him. Repeatedly

powderjunkie · 10-10-2015, 10:14 PM

Is it me, or have there been way more high profile 2nd base slides in the last month?

That crap, and the stupid 'unwritten' rules that result in 99MPH projectiles becoming problem solvers is just embarrassing. Any baseball fans who think fighting in hockey is barbaric need to give their head a shake, at least the combatants are on equal ground. The rest of this crap is Raffi Torres-esque.

GirlySports · 10-10-2015, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JayP

Utley started his slide after the base and was not even in reaching distance of the bag. Ridiculously dirty.

True but i dont think its a DP Tejada can make. Just hold it and brace for contact.

transplant99 · 10-11-2015, 08:03 AM

apparently I am in the vast minority, but I see nothing at all wrong with that play and certainly don't see it as a "dirty" play.

Utley didn't go in with his spikes up in an attempt to injure him, he went in with a hard slide intending to break up a double play. That has been a play in baseball for well over a 100 years, so I'm not sure why it is different for him in this case.

Sure it's unfortunate Tejada was hurt on the play, but that's just part of the game and particularly playing SS and covering 2nd base.

SuperMatt18 · 10-11-2015, 09:45 AM

I think it was somewhat dirty but more because it was a hip check then an actual slide

CofR · 10-11-2015, 07:23 PM

Utley suspended for Games 3 and 4

browna · 10-12-2015, 08:00 AM

Utley suspended because of the injury to Tejada, nothing more.

Hes going to appeal, and apparently show video of similar slides that have gone unpunished (of which there are dozens of this and any season), but of course didn't result in a broken leg.

Secondarily,with the NY media getting Mets fans so worked up about it,MLB removing all the possibilities around a situation developing either with retaliation, or even NYC crowd issues, is another factor.

transplant99 · 10-12-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by browna

Utley suspended because of the injury to Tejada, nothing more.

Hes going to appeal, and apparently show video of similar slides that have gone unpunished (of which there are dozens of this and any season), but of course didn't result in a broken leg.

Secondarily,with the NY media getting Mets fans so worked up about it,MLB removing all the possibilities around a situation developing either with retaliation, or even NYC crowd issues, is another factor.

Not a whole lot different than the slide Donaldson made in Game 1 which ended up in him getting his noggin rattled. But yeah, there are literally hundreds of examples.

Its hardly time for MLB to change the rules and set a precedence now. Make the changes over the off season but suspending a guy in the middle of the playoffs for a play that is made (and has been made for over 100 years) is asinine to me.

I suspect that the appeal will reduce it to 1 game, only so emotions can settle down a little and we don't see something really ugly tonight.

Otherwise you know Utley will be targeted by the Mets which is fine and how things are dealt with in baseball, but hoping no nutbar in the crowd decides to become johnny hero.

Sylvanfan · 10-12-2015, 10:21 AM

It is time for Baseball to do something about this in the offseason. They changed a Century old rule at home plate, they need to adjust this one.

Enoch Root · 10-12-2015, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Not a whole lot different than the slide Donaldson made in Game 1 which ended up in him getting his noggin rattled. But yeah, there are literally hundreds of examples.

Its hardly time for MLB to change the rules and set a precedence now. Make the changes over the off season but suspending a guy in the middle of the playoffs for a play that is made (and has been made for over 100 years) is asinine to me.

I suspect that the appeal will reduce it to 1 game, only so emotions can settle down a little and we don't see something really ugly tonight.

Otherwise you know Utley will be targeted by the Mets which is fine and how things are dealt with in baseball, but hoping no nutbar in the crowd decides to become johnny hero.

Disagree - very big difference. And for me, exactly where the line should be drawn.

First of all, nothing wrong with an aggressive slide. But the key word there is 'slide'. And that's the difference with these two.

Donaldson slid. He slid before the bag. And he slid into the bag. Then he made contact with the SS.

Utley was past the bag, wide of the bag, and he never slid. His first contact wasn't with the ground it was with Tejada's leg. Not a slide at all.

I am all for what Donaldson did. And I am all for Utley getting suspended for what he did.

I think the parameters should be:

1) slide must start before the bag
2) the player needs to remain in line with the bag (be able to make contact with it)
3) it must actually be a slide (i.e. hit the ground first)

transplant99 · 10-12-2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Disagree - very big difference. And for me, exactly where the line should be drawn.

First of all, nothing wrong with an aggressive slide. But the key word there is 'slide'. And that's the difference with these two.

Donaldson slid. He slid before the bag. And he slid into the bag. Then he made contact with the SS.

Utley was past the bag, wide of the bag, and he never slid. His first contact wasn't with the ground it was with Tejada's leg. Not a slide at all.

I am all for what Donaldson did. And I am all for Utley getting suspended for what he did.

I think the parameters should be:

1) slide must start before the bag
2) the player needs to remain in line with the bag (be able to make contact with it)
3) it must actually be a slide (i.e. hit the ground first)

I don't understand this sentiment of "he didn't slide"...of course he freaking slid...that's why there is a controversy to begin with.

Was it late? Yes.

Was it hard? Yes.

And why do I keep hearing about "making contact" with the base...his hand went right over the base completely. I think people are seeing what they want to see instead of what happened.

But slides to the sides of the bag happen ALL the time at EVERY base, so no idea why in this case he had to remain in line with the bag...that's just ridiculous.

Again, this scenario is played out daily in baseball for 6 months a year, but in this case because Tejada got hurt, its some aggregious action that needs to result in further discipline, which is the ONLY reason Torre did this at all.

Truth is that in about 10 minutes you can find 20 examples of similar incidents that occurred this year that resulted in no further action against the player.

And again it also appeases somewhat, the bloodlust that Mets fans and players may have had going into tonights contest which I somewhat agree with, but is no reason to keep him from playing in reality.

Its such 2015/PC/we must be offended by everything stuff...which is no way to make decisions.

Enoch Root · 10-12-2015, 11:35 AM

This shows him in full contact with Tejada as he is just getting to the ground (hit before slide).

He is also 8 feet past the bag already.

I am all for aggressive slides - it's part of the game. But this was a check, not a slide.

It isn't PC, there has to be a line somewhere.

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