[News] Hartley: Ortio #3 on depth chart

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We will never really know what was Treliving's reasoning for signing Ramo in the offseason but I imagine as the offseason progressed and there was no suitors for any of the Flames three goaltenders in a trade that the team had hopes that one would stand out in training camp and that never really happened as none of the goaltenders stood out good or bad as they all were just competent.

Was the painfully drawn out length of that sentence intended as a metaphor for the painfully drawn out length of the goaltending decision? If so, bravo sir.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Was the painfully drawn out length of that sentence intended as a metaphor for the painfully drawn out length of the goaltending decision? If so, bravo sir.

You probably won't believe me but I actually realized the sentence was drawn out too long but left it that way in hopes of just such a post pointing that out. As for the metaphor thing sadly no but good pickup nonetheless.

[polak]

I think Hartley is full of it and Ortio is 3rd cause they have zero intention of trading him.

What makes more sense if you're about to trade someone:

1) Put him as the 3rd string thus lowering his apparent value to your team and give him no opportunity to increase that value since he won't be playing

2) Start the season with him as your starter and unless he falters, keep him heavily in the rotation. Thus increasing his apparent value and also giving him a chance to increase his value. If he starts to falter you ride the 1B a little more.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by michalek

Any chance that Flames will try to sneak Ortiz through waivers tomorrow ?

If Tokarski passes through today I would say that is fair.

Just as good as Ortio, and only a year removed from being somewhat of a sweetheart when he came into the playoffs for Price a year ago, and there were rumors of some decent offers for him.

[Dr. Doom]

It's about time they s*it or get off the pot here.
This is going to be a mess

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Bringing back Ramo at such a massive cap hit was a huge mistake.

If Ortio needs a mentor, I think Ramo is a better fit than Hiller.

[Caged Great]

This is solely about boosting the trade value of the other two guys.

We will see.

Also, it was a good idea to bring Ramo back because Ortio was terrible until mid November each of the last two seasons. If he did that again and you don't have Ramo back and Hiller has any struggles whatsoever, that could end your playoff hopes right there. I'd rather deal with the three headed monster than potentially missing the playoffs because of something that was preventable. Ortio came into camp and played well, which is both something new and something great. Having too many good players is an excellent problem to have.

[Enoch Root]

Okay, a few people have mentioned this...

Does anyone honestly believe that other teams will re-evaluate what they think any given player is worth based on the coach saying where he ranks them?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay, a few people have mentioned this...

Does anyone honestly believe that other teams will re-evaluate what they think any given player is worth based on the coach saying where he ranks them?

No, but Hartley has to say something other than "we're showcasing these two to see which one we can move"

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Toonage

No, but Hartley has to say something other than "we're showcasing these two to see which one we can move"

Sure, but his comments don't 'boost trade value' as some seem to be claiming

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

This is solely about boosting the trade value of the other two guys.

We will see.

Also, it was a good idea to bring Ramo back because Ortio was terrible until mid November each of the last two seasons. If he did that again and you don't have Ramo back and Hiller has any struggles whatsoever, that could end your playoff hopes right there. I'd rather deal with the three headed monster than potentially missing the playoffs because of something that was preventable. Ortio came into camp and played well, which is both something new and something great. Having too many good players is an excellent problem to have.

This was an excellent problem to have in the offseason.

Now its going to become an issue and Ortio will be the one to pay for it because apparently he's #3 and will be riding pine and getting nice and cold.

If it were an excellent problem to have you'd see it everywhere instead you don't see such a thing.

When you do it tends to end up bad and the very guy you want to keep ends up getting dealt... look at the Canucks with Luongo, Schneider and Lack or the Sens with Andersen, Lehner and Hammond.

People don't want Hiller, someone would easily snag Ortio however.

It's not a good problem to have anymore and it will soon get ugly IMO unless they have a deal lined up to surprise us here

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

This was an excellent problem to have in the offseason.

Now its going to become an issue and Ortio will be the one to pay for it because apparently he's #3 and will be riding pine and getting nice and cold.

If it were an excellent problem to have you'd see it everywhere instead you don't see such a thing.

When you do it tends to end up bad and the very guy you want to keep ends up getting dealt... look at the Canucks with Luongo, Schneider and Lack or the Sens with Andersen, Lehner and Hammond.

People don't want Hiller, someone would easily snag Ortio however.

It's not a good problem to have anymore and it will soon get ugly IMO unless they have a deal lined up to surprise us here

You are totally correct on this not being a good problem to have all year long. To me, this clearly indicates they don't want to lose Ortio to waivers, so there is going to be some short term pain.........for the goalies. The team not so much unless they let this ride out a little longer.

For now, there isn't much to choose between the 3 guys for the team, so they should be able to play their best with either in net. This gives them a shortish window to see if Ramo or Hiller can up their trade value and make someone make and acceptable offer, or for the Flames to decide which one they will risk losing to waivers.

Long term, this problem goes away, even if the three don't distinguish themselves because Ramo's contract expires at the end of the year.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Also, I wonder, we are all assuming this is about justifying playing Ramo and Hiller to up their trade value, and or help the Flames decide which one they'll waive.

But I also don't think Hartley would ever make those claims unless he was also sending a message to Ortio. I doubt it's one of anger or disappointment, but I would also think it's fair to say Hartley doesn't think Ortio grab the job the way say Kulak did (very different situations I know, harder for Ortio). Right now, I think Hartley's kind of also saying, hey, "I have 3 guys I think I can play, and with all else being equal, I'm going to play the vets who have more of a track record, Ortio, up to you to change my mind".

[Vulcan]

I'm disappointed, this isn't a good situation. I think they should have bit the bullet and waived one of the two incumbents. My preference would have been to waive Hiller.

[Enoch Root]

neither Hiller nor Ramo have earned a demotion or the indignity of a waiver posting at this point

let's see how it plays out

[MisterJoji]

Just to clarify, if Ortio was claimed on waivers, the claiming team has to keep him on the NHL roster all season and if they did put him back on waivers, we get first dibs to have him back? Still too risky IMO. There are a few teams that could claim him as they do not have a steady backup situation and if he played lights out for them they just got a free asset. There is literally no risk for a team to claim him. If he plays great you look like a genius, if not put him back on waivers and you'll lose a player you never really had in the first place.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Just to clarify, if Ortio was claimed on waivers, the claiming team has to keep him on the NHL roster all season and if they did put him back on waivers, we get first dibs to have him back?

That doesn't sound right. I couldn't find any clause subsection in the waivers article of the CBA to that effect.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Long term, this problem goes away, even if the three don't distinguish themselves because Ramo's contract expires at the end of the year.

All three goalies' contracts expire at the end of the year.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

That doesn't sound right. I couldn't find any clause subsection in the waivers article of the CBA to that effect.

It's a thing. Pretty sure that was added in the new CBA

EDIT: See : Zach Boychuk

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

neither Hiller nor Ramo have earned a demotion or the indignity of a waiver posting at this point

let's see how it plays out

Sometimes it doesn't have much to do with deserve or earned.

It's just how life as you say plays out.
As for the indignity, they're paid big money to get over it.
I think the situation being unsettled could affect the team in a negative way.