Hathaway, Sieloff, Wotherspoon, Nakladal, Morrison to Stockton. UPD: Shore clears

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Hope he clears because I think he can be a big player for Stockton

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Maybe he should of spend all summer working on another part of his game, because everything else was lacking.

Honestly Cheerio, with your track record it's safe to say you are terrible at evaluating players.

Since I believe that Schlemko & Shore > Engelland & Bollig I'm terrible at evaluating players? Good to know that 2 players who actually bring something to the table other than HURR DURR TOUGHNESS AND INTANGIBLES are actually bad. The last time this team had a guy who could win faceoffs in the bottom 6 it was Stephane Yelle, this is a terrible faceoff team. Shore brings something to the table that no one else can and I think he's a better fit for the 13th forward spot than Granlund, Bollig and Raymond

[Poe969]

So you're saying you know more than Jack Adams award winning coach Hartley?

HURR DURR I like these guys so they're awesome!

Who cares how they are compared to other players. There is a specific spot that needs to be filled and the coaching staff and management will take the player best suited for that spot. You obviously overvalued Shore and Schlemko otherwise they'd be on the Flames.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Since I believe that Schlemko & Shore > Engelland & Bollig I'm terrible at evaluating players? Good to know that 2 players who actually bring something to the table other than HURR DURR TOUGHNESS AND INTANGIBLES are actually bad. The last time this team had a guy who could win faceoffs in the bottom 6 it was Stephane Yelle, this is a terrible faceoff team. Shore brings something to the table that no one else can and I think he's a better fit for the 13th forward spot than Granlund, Bollig and Raymond

Not Granlund...nope

[flamesfan55]

My frustration is I don't believe Byron should still be here instead of Shore.

[sureLoss]

#Flames cuts today. Prospects Hathaway, Sieloff, Morrison all off to Stockton. Drew Shore on waivers. Could be picked by another team.

Per millions

[Crumpy-Gunt]

So far I think the 13th forward spot is granlunds to lose.

Byron is coming back off an injury and doesn't have anything to prove. He's at camp trying to get better. They know what he brings and who he is. Drew Shore has almost no identity and never established a style of play. The coaches are familiar with Byron and know once he gets fit he will be a reliable bottom 6 guy

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

#Flames cuts today. Prospects Hathaway, Sieloff, Morrison all off to Stockton. Drew Shore on waivers. Could be picked by another team.

Per millions

What's that bring the numbers down to now?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by flamesfan55

My frustration is I don't believe Byron should still be here instead of Shore.

Byron actually provides value to the team though. Great PKer and possession player with incredible speed. He's an ideal 13th forward that can be versatile. His speed can be really effective against certain teams.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So you're saying you know more than Jack Adams award winning coach Hartley?

HURR DURR I like these guys so they're awesome!

Who cares how they are compared to other players. There is a specific spot that needs to be filled and the coaching staff and management will take the player best suited for that spot. You obviously overvalued Shore and Schlemko otherwise they'd be on the Flames.

Just because he won a trophy doesn't mean he in infallible. Remember the Setoguchi experiment last year? I bet Chicago was wishing they still had John Scott/Brandon Bollig on their roster when they were lifting the cup...

[Calgary4LIfe]

Though people may complain that Shore was put on waivers ahead of Raymond (which is another argument), at least Treliving is indeed following through with the 'earned not given' mantra. It would have been much easier to send Granlund and Hathaway down as they don't need to clear waivers.

As a vet, Raymond may just be getting the benefit of the doubt for now as he did score at a relatively high rate in relation to his TOI.

I suspect Treliving has probably called back all the GMs (and then some) that had expressed interest in Shore, and didn't get a taker on a trade. Betting he probably clears.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Just because he won a trophy doesn't mean he in infallible. Remember the Setoguchi experiment last year? I bet Chicago was wishing they still had John Scott/Brandon Bollig on their roster when they were lifting the cup...

Is Hartley the GM or something? I recall Hartley giving him a chance as a good coach does and then he got waived shortly after.

And Bollig won a stanley cup with Chicago.

What are you smoking dude?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Just because he won a trophy doesn't mean he in infallible. Remember the Setoguchi experiment last year? I bet Chicago was wishing they still had John Scott/Brandon Bollig on their roster when they were lifting the cup...

Sure, he isn't infallible. What was wrong with the Setoguchi experiment? He played less than 20 games and had reduced minutes near the end, with frequent scratches. What do you supposed he should have done differently?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Colborne must be okay?

Flames have 16 forwards still in camp including Colborne.

If Colborne goes on IR, one will need to be assigned.

Guessing the Flames go with 14 forwards, 6 dman and 3 goalies for the 1st week.

[jg13]

Updated

GOALTENDERS
1 - Jonas Hiller
31 - Karri Ramo
37 - Joni Ortio

DEFENCEMEN
15 - Ladislav Smid
7 - TJ Brodie
26 - Tyler Wotherspoon
29 - Deryk Engelland
4 - Kris Russell
6 - Dennis Wideman
5 - Mark Giordano
27 - Dougie Hamilton
33 - Jakub Nakladal
44 - Ryan Wilson(PTO)

FORWARDS
13 - Johnny Gaudreau
16 - Josh Jooris
23 - Sean Monahan
60 - Markus Granlund
79 - Micheal Ferland
8 - Joe Colborne
11 - Mikael Backlund
17 - Lance Bouma
52 - Brandon Bollig
67 - Micheal Frolik
18 - Matt Stajan
19 - David Jones
21 - Mason Raymond
24 - Jiri Hudler
93 - Sam Bennett
32 - Paul Byron

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Is Hartley the GM or something? I recall Hartley giving him a chance as a good coach does and then he got waived shortly after.

And Bollig won a stanley cup with Chicago.

What are you smoking dude?

Poe asked me if I disagreed with Jack Adams winning coach Bob Hartley so I explained that sometimes people get things wrong.

Bollig was watching from home when they lifted the cup this year.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

So far I think the 13th forward spot is granlunds to lose.

Byron is coming back off an injury and doesn't have anything to prove. He's at camp trying to get better. They know what he brings and who he is. Drew Shore has almost no identity and never established a style of play. The coaches are familiar with Byron and know once he gets fit he will be a reliable bottom 6 guy

Do you want Granlund consistently sitting in the pressbox though? Granlund is potentially part of the future plan. You want him playing hockey regularly.

I'd rather have Byron as 13, since I'd have no problem with him sitting games. He's serviceable when needed, and he very likely isn't part of the plan moving forward so who cares if he sits.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Byron actually provides value to the team though. Great PKer and possession player with incredible speed. He's an ideal 13th forward that can be versatile. His speed can be really effective against certain teams.

Agreed. Love what Byron brings to the team. People complain that he doesn't score enough on the breakaway chances he creates... But at least he's creating them. Most bottom six players are just chipping the puck in and getting a change. Having a gritty, super fast, fore checker like Byron on the 3rd/4th line is a great asset to have.


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[Poe969]

The Seto experiment could have a lot more to it than we'll ever know. His off ice issues and the demons had a lot to do with things. That whole thing actually makes me like, turst and respect Hartley more. I don't know why you're bringing John Scott into things... As much as you're discounting toughness, you have to realize that the Flames are one of the smallest teams in the league and you need to have some guys out there to "protect" them and keep the other team honest.

You clearly don't know much about hockey as more than just a single player game. You can't just put together a bunch of players who are individually good. You have to think of the team aspect of it. Engelland and Bolig are part of a team system and I've only heard Hartley sing their praises. He hasn't once called them out because they're less like drew shore and only bring "HURR DURR toughness". If anything, I'm sure he'd say they bring GOOD SOLID toughness.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Sure, he isn't infallible. What was wrong with the Setoguchi experiment? He played less than 20 games and had reduced minutes near the end, with frequent scratches. What do you supposed he should have done differently?

I seem to recall everyone on this board having issues with Setoguchi playing and as a result an issue with Hartley's coaching. But now that he won the Jack Adams, disagreeing with his decisions is not allowed.